"If you're so tired of people mistaking you for a Hillary supporter..."

[Chitown Kev]

'... then consider changing your avatar."

This was the reason given by a juror in a post that I alerted where someone accused me of being a Hillary supporter in spite of explicitly stating in that very thread that I am not.

and all this time, I thought that black voters had dropped Clinton for Bernie Sanders

I guess that's supposed to win my vote?

Just had to let a little steam off...

[liberal N proud]

1. The jury system has become a hit and miss based on who you support

I have noticed trends in the Jury results that I have seen. If you get a majority of Bernie supporters and they think you are a Hillary supporter, more than likely, you will get hidden.

It is petty and says more about the supporters as a whole than anything else.

[The Polack MSgt]

2. All pictures of women

Are pictures of Hillary now.

Obsessed people think of themselves as focused...

[Chitown Kev]

3. esp. black women, I suppose

now if the juror had said that "maybe you should change your avatar from the woman who notoriously called Bill Clinton "the first black president" (which is not exactly what Toni Morrison said or meant)...THEN they may have had a point.

This is just straight up racism.

[Coolest Ranger]

4. I've said this before I'm going to say it again

I'll let my vote for her speak for me when i vote for her in the Primary in March.

[Chitown Kev]

5. I mean, I'm trying very hard to listen to both sides

knowing that by the time I vote, the nomination might already be decided (and it certainly seems that way).

There are other things that I can add to a campaign in an unofficial capacity...I could write OPs supporting a candidate, for example.

My thing is....Some supporters of one of the candidates thinks that a) my vote is decided b) that I'm a low-info voter with Stockholm Syndrome c) that Bernie Sanders boots were made not for walking but for marching with Dr. King...gotta get that legacy d) that the black vote will be handed over to Sanders because he sat down and ate some fried chicken...

This is the type of ignorance and lack of knowledge that some white Democrats (and a few Paulite trolls( have.

Yet some of these same people are so hypersensitive that they will alert on anything (including this post here)

Some of these Sanders supporters say little better than "you're either with us or against us". Yes, that type of Bushism.

[randys1]

6. Yep, yep, yep and yep.

I am surprised Black people vote at all, to tell you the truth.

In that were I you, I might just tell everybody else to fuck off.

I heard today on Ari Rabin-Havt show, a former assistant on the Hill and media matters guy:

"The establishment Democrats hate their base, the establishment Republicans fear theirs"

I remember a docu where someone was going to then House Member Barney Frank's office, people were outside demonstrating about something, and the arrogance and attitude Mr. Frank showed to the journalist was surprising to me, and worse is what he said, basically "stop protesting and making noise because we dont pay attention to you".

It was like if you vote then you have done what you can do. I wish I had that interview.

[Coolest Ranger]

7. Wait a second

Your post has already been alerted on? For real?

[Chitown Kev]

8. Not to get too much into the meta

I had a post in this thread that was hidden.

I alerted on this specific post based on the fact that I said multiple times in that thread that I was not a Hillary supporter (to keep insisting that I am is just rude and obnoxious

Here are those jury results.

On Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:34 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

Oh, you were there? Not. So were many places, not just the UOC.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1017&pid=314774

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

I state very clearly in the thread that I am not for Hillary (post #45) and I am tired of this.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Tue Dec 15, 2015, 10:46 AM, and voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT ALONE.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Borderline rude and I'm opting for more civility.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: As far as I know, being tired of someone's denseness is not a reason to hide.
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Yes, you stated it very clearly... in a conversation with a different poster. Not only is this not in any way, shape or form hide-worthy, your expectation that everyone read an ENTIRE thread before replying to a specific comment you've made is completely unrealistic.

If you're so tired of people mistaking you for a Hillary supporter, then consider changing your avatar.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you.

[Coolest Ranger]

9. Can I hug you?

I'm so sorry I don't get it and this is getting old

[Digital Puppy]

15. WTF is wrong with these people???

[Number23]

12. I saw your posts in the Joke Part 2 ("ALL NEggroEs havE droPPed HiLlAry for BeRNie!11one") post

where you tried to explain that the browbeating, the condescension, the harassment and yes even the racism is all coming from one side and one side alone this election season. But -- SHOCKINGLY -- your words fell on deaf ears.

Bernie's campaign hasn't been stellar in any way on race, but at least he hasn't been straight up HOSTILE to black voices the way so many of his supporters have been. And what's so funny is that the main ones minimizing, denying or flat out dismissing the opinions of black folks are the same ones who are literally TREMBLING with rage that black people aren't still screaming about the racism from Hillary's 2008 campaign.

It's like "why are you so focused on the racism that's being tossed at you TODAY??! Why can't you people keep focusing on the racism that **I** want you to focus on from 8 years ago???!!"

[pnwmom]

14. I had the same experience -- you're either with us or against us. Since I started out

feeling neutral about the outcome (though I thought she had a stronger campaign org), I became an instant enemy.

Of course, it all backfired because the more they made unfair attacks on Hillary, the more they discredited themselves and the more I remembered all the good things about her.

Lately, I've been remembering the sexism tied in with the anti-war and early civil rights movement -- the kind of guys Bernie hung out with. I have no evidence of that in him -- but plenty of his associates were MCP's, and apparently many still are.

[1StrongBlackMan]

20. I think everyone who is for Bernie has had a similar experience ...

And they seem to miss the irony in that.

[brer cat]

18. "I'm trying very hard to listen to both sides..."

Listening must go both ways, and that is what I really don't understand about the belligerence (and sometimes outright racism) of *some* of the Bernie supporters. When they began swarming bravenak and 1SBM trying to shut them up early in the campaign, I thought they were just fools, yet *some* of them are still doing the same to you and other AA members which does suggest ignorance.

Any democratic campaign that fails to be inclusive of people of color is doomed to fail, and being inclusive begins with respect. Treating poc as monolithic, characterizing some as "low-information" voters, suggesting that affluent DUers don't speak for "blacks" is disrespectful as well as racist, ignorant, and backasswards. Understanding why JAG supports MO'M, why you are uncommitted to any candidate, why bravenak withdrew her support for Bernie would be learning experiences, but it isn't possible to learn anything with closed ears and minds.

We needed, but were unable to get, a thoughtful conversation about all of the candidates (hey, people...there are more than two). Supporting someone should include willingness to hear constructive criticism and learn from it, but the "with us or against us" attitude shut off any chance of that. What a pity.

[Number23]

26. Good grief, what an awesome post

Understanding why JAG supports MO'M, why you are uncommitted to any candidate, why bravenak withdrew her support for Bernie would be learning experiences, but it isn't possible to learn anything with closed ears and minds.

Yes, yes. A thousand times yes!

[randys1]

35. Great point. These people you refer to are mostly white males who are used to

telling others what to do and think.

Sad but true, this is just more white supremacy bullshit, male dominated.

[1StrongBlackMan]

46. No ... I suspect that most of those posters are ...

White men that have never been in the position to tell anyone anything, except on the Internet; but, desperatelyrics wish to be ... but for, that damned diversity stealing their rightful position.

[upaloopa]

30. You write good stuff please keep posting

I love what you write.

[Starry Messenger]

10. I don't get why your avatar means you are a supporter or not

of any candidate. That jury comment was bizarre and ignorant.

[Number23]

11. Oh my God, oh my God. Your avatar is a WOMAN so of course that makes you a Hillary supporter!11one

And waitaminnit... is she a BLACK woman too??! Oh that must mean that you're on Hillary's PAYROLL.

And wait again, is that black woman Nobel Prize winning author TONI MORRISON??! I don't know how but that must mean you're Hillary Clinton HERSELF!!11one

[Stellar]

23. +1000

exactly!!!

[Number23]

24. And you want to know what's really scary about all of this?? THESE PEOPLE ARE SERIOUS!!!!

[mcar]

50. I had to do a double take on that one also

I was thinking "Hillary in what avatar?"

[Kind of Blue]

13. We dropped Clinton for Sanders???

Wow, there must be some new polling out that I've missed
Thanks for the heads-up

But honest to goodness, how one infers who YOU absolutely favor is beyond idiotic. When I first saw your avatar, I thought how cool, Morrison loves writer Ta-Nehisi Coates, and you're a writer - connection made in my mind. I love Coltrane and Davis, both no longer with us, so as an uncommitted voter the poster would just KNOW who I must support because of an avatar???

It's really mind boggling that there could be no other reason for an avatar besides a political choice. This is what happens in supremacy when beliefs run rampant based on stereotypes that allow no other thoughts. The Sander's fanatic belief system is not only bizarre but deplorable on so many levels.

[kwassa]

16. So, the juror thought Toni Morrison was Hillary Clinton?

Sounds like a vision problem.

[Chitown Kev]

17. I mean, I've heard of the "they all look alike" thing before

but that's pretty ridiculous, IMO, lol

[1StrongBlackMan]

21. LOL. eom.

[JustAnotherGen]

19. Ha!

[Stellar]

22. Actually I am seriously considering O'Malley...

Number one reason...his supporters don't suck or piss me off and demanding that I am a Hillary supporter and that I don't know ish after being around for 71 years.

And number two...all the racist B.S. that came from the Clinton campaign in 2008. But I will probably just settle for whoever win in the primary. And because I am a one issue voter this time for the first time in my life (#BLM), who knows what Hillary thinks about it.

[Number23]

25. I thought that Sanders would have done something about his unhinged supporters by now

I am very disappointed and quite surprised that he hasn't.

[dlwickham]

27. I'm unhinged

and the bern bots are way crazier than I am

:bounce

[Number23]

28. Heh. I like your style.

[dlwickham]

29. thank you

[Stellar]

31. I can't believe that I'm saying this but...

I'm trying to determine whose supporters are worst...Trump's or Sanders.

I remember Obama wouldn't even let us disrespect any of his opponents
He would say, "don't boo....VOTE"! That way things wouldn't get out of hand once you start booing someones favorite from our own party.

[Number23]

32. "I'm trying to determine whose supporters are worst...Trump's or Sanders."

You are not alone. By no means.

And as I've said time and again, I'm pretty "meh" on Hillary even though it does seem as though her victory is all but guaranteed, at this point anyway. But I have to say that she seems to have learned alot from her last campaign. She has not had any of the moments re: race that she had before.

And yeah, I was fairly unimpressed with the meeting she had with BLM but she didn't do the "do you know who I am??! If you don't want me here despite my stellar record on race issues, I'll leave!" thing that Bernie did when BLM confronted him at Netroots Nation.

I've also said this time and again, I think one of the major reasons not one single one of these candidates really moves me in a way that I'd like is because I think we have all been spoiled rotten having Barack Obama on the ballot the last two elections. That man was a one in a million candidate. I sincerely doubt I'll see another like him in my lifetime.

[Chitown Kev]

33. lol, Sanders/Clinton/BLM

A Sanders supporter PM'd me about some of this...it was a good PM overall, actually, but a lot of assumptions...like Hillary's encounter with BLM was worse than Bernie's for some reason...

I said, no, Hillary's encounter actually WAS a little better.

And like you, the NN encounter is the one that leaped out at me.

[Number23]

34. I swear these people bring new and exciting dimensions to the phrase "confirmation bias"

Hillary's BLM encounters weren't great, but how in the sweet Hell anyone could look at her encounters and think it's the same thing as a man hollering "if you want me to leave, I'll go!" or standing there looking pissed/fearful as hell while his supporters screamed for the two (female) protesters who made him look that way to be jailed and tased is just surreal.

But like I mentioned upthread, this is also the same crowd that is BEYOND pissed that black people are paying attention to the racism we're getting from the campaigns TODAY and not still screaming in rage about Clinton's racism during her 2008 campaign. "Why don't you people focus on the racism that **I** want you to focus on??!11" seems to be their rallying cry.

[JI7]

41. i think some of them think white people need to play the old stereotypical white hero role

i'm not sure how to describe it. but it's where the white is the hero for all the colored people and seen as some savior type.

the reason clinton does well with black and other minorities is pretty much they have a normal relationship . neither think she or even her husband are some heroic figures for the community. but it's more of a long time friendship type relationship . with ups and downs but familiarity with each other.

it would have been worse and come off condescending if she had just agreed to everything the blm activist said .

[Chitown Kev]

42. I've never forgotten a comment over at DK

from someone who said, yes, Hillary sounded, to an extent, condescending but she also sounded like one of those black grandmothers that gives you the tough love and advice that you might not want to hear but that you need to hear...complete with all of that head-bobbing that the church sisters use.

He was right and, in a way, it speaks to that familiarity issue.

[Number23]

44. Hillary's inner circle consists of quite a few black women. That "black grandmother" comment

may not be too far off.

Vanity Fair did a piece on her inner circle last month - http://www.vanityfair.com/news/2015/10/hillary-clinton-inside-circle-huma-abedin

And these are not minority female friends she made last year. Many of them have been in her close circle for decades.

[Chitown Kev]

45. and, of course, Hillary's first boss

and still a friend (though not politically), Marian Wright Edelman.

[BlueMTexpat]

36. I totally agree with you about Barack Obama -

especially in his second term where he has really come into his own.

This is exactly why comparisons to 2008 are so off-the-mark. Barack Obama was indeed a once-in-a-lifetime candidate. Bernie, bless him - however I may feel about some of his DU supporters - is no Barack Obama. Not by a very long shot. IMO, the only one who might be an equivalent is Michelle, who likely is looking forward to leaving the fishbowl.

Full disclosure: I'm not AA, but please don't ban me from posting here. I am a Hillary supporter, but I like all of our Dem candidates and will proudly support any one of them in the GE.

But yes, the odds on Hillary are excellent.

[Number23]

38. I think probably half of our regular posters here aren't black. This is a great group of DUers

of all colors and backgrounds.

Barack Obama was indeed a once-in-a-lifetime candidate. Bernie, bless him - however I may feel about some of his DU supporters - is no Barack Obama. Not by a very long shot.

True words indeed. And I think the fact that some Sanders supporters keep trying to make that comparison does nothing but show how far from reality they are. Obama got black folks to come out and vote in DROVES. Including black folks that hadn't voted for years. Bernie's got about 12% black support right now nationally.

The comparison makes no sense and has absolutely no basis in reality. It's actually kind of absurd.

[BlueMTexpat]

39. Yes, I really enjoyed the whole thread.

There are definitely good people here, whoever they are!

[Chitown Kev]

43. Including black folks in Iowa

he got 72% of the black vote in Iowa in the 2008 caucus...

[randys1]

37. People are gonna miss Obama way more than they know, and he is WAY too far to the right

for me

But I am the guy who thinks allowing the Koch Bros to own and control access to Waikiki Beach and Yellowstone Natl Park is absurd, and I seem to be the only one around here who does.


Yeah, Obama is a mainstream Democratic politician who accomplished more in his two terms than any 10 repubs put together and most Dems.


I cant explain it but we have a two party system that didnt deserve Obama, if that makes sense.

[Stellar]

48. I....

just don't feel anything for Hillary at all and I'm still trying to figure out why so many African American are supposed to be supporting her.

In the beginning I had the hot's for Bernie up until his supporters start beating me over the head with how stupid I was for questioning him and not supporting him from the get go. And the NAMES that they called me. Now I can barely stand to hear his name, thanks to his supporters.

But, as Maxine Waters said on Bill Maher about BLM, it's there first amendment rights so...deal with it!

[randys1]

40. Lets face it, some BErnie fans here at DU will be voting teaparty if Bernie isnt the candidate

Some will because that is where they will feel more comfortable at that point, others will because they were teaparty supporters all along, here to sow discord and try and get us to not vote, etc.

Some, not all.

Not even most, but some, and they are very vocal here.

[1StrongBlackMan]

47. Two sides of the same coin ...

In some cases; in other cases, the same side of the same cion.

[Stellar]

49. Got'cha! nt.

[MADem]

51. Oh, Kev--you know how it goes--all those women look ALIKE, don't they?

and hey, jurors--that was !!!!!!!!

I'll bet Hillary is flattered to be told she resembles such an esteemed author!!!

And the juror who wrote that? They should be as embarrassed as all shit! They have to live with the fact that the ADMINS know WHO they are, and that they made that idiotic comment!!!