Obama can be viciously attacked on DU, and no hide, of course.

[randys1]

I wont even bother to link to it.

I sent what I think is my 2nd alert in the entire time I have been here for someone accusing Obama of selling us out and it was left to stand.

Fuck this.

[BainsBane]

1. I was on that jury

I alerted on the results too.

And the post didn't accuse Obama of selling us out. It made a foul comment about his exercising one of his responsibilities as President. I don't think a simple selling out comment would have even resulted in an alert.

[randys1]

3. So there was a 2nd alert, what happened on yours?

Or do they only do one?

I had 3 posts hidden in one day, they were copy paste of each other, where I commented on the racists at DU attacking Bravenak.

And then this happens.

This fucking jury system is insane

[BainsBane]

4. No. I was a juror. I didn't alert on the post

but on the jury results.

[Purveyor]

23. You alerted on jury results? How is that possible? eom

[lovemydog]

2. LOL. I'll find and just say I disagree.

I love President Obama. Don't take it personally. I just picture the critics as not knowing what the heck they're talking about.

[randys1]

5. That isnt the point, really. I get hidden for calling out racism but Obama can

be attacked.

Now if you say anything about Bernie supporters, you are instantly silenced

[BainsBane]

6. If you point out his voting record

It runs the risk of being hidden. Several people have had that happen. One alerter said it was horrible to say Bernie made a certain vote, except he did cast it. It's the vote that's horrible, not voters' noting it.

[betsuni]

29. I was just on a jury, an article about something Sanders had voted against alerted on.

That was his vote, why shouldn't the thing that was voted on be discussed? Wasn't hidden, and of course one juror went on about "the lengths Hillary supporters will go to guarantee her coronation" and voted to leave it so that everybody could "see what Clinton supporters are like." Hmm, writer of the article was a journalist, but don't let that get in the way. On the other hand, Hillary is single-handedly responsible for the Iraq War because of her vote.

[BainsBane]

34. Incredible isn't it?

If you point out the double standard, they won't acknowledge it.

That is the sort of thing that has permanently affected how I evaluate what is said here.

[lovemydog]

7. I know. It's sucks

randys1. I'm not trying to argue with you. I agree. I guess I can only say that this is how it is now. I don't want to see you get your posts hidden. You're too valuable a voice here.

[Starry Messenger]

8. Sorry r.

I was juror #5

On Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:10 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

O, Joy. I Can Hardly Wait
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1291100

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

Sick of this shit, attacking Obama. I think this is the 2nd alert I have sent in many many years.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Thu Dec 17, 2015, 06:13 PM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: And I'm sick of shit like the TPP. Because of that, I see nothing wrong with this post.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The post is inappropriate and over the top. It meets the criteria for hiding it.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: I'm sick of the right wingers swarming the place too. Time to get rid of some of them. Clear hide.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Please feel free to discuss on a political discussion board.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Meh!1!!11!
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[randys1]

11. THanks...I just figured it was time to take a stand

[tishaLA]

21. what did that say originally, Randy?

you can PM me if you prefer. I see it was edited after you replied to it, which I regard as an act of cowardice, but whatever.

[DURHAM D]

26. Go to the post and click on Permalink.

Scroll down to "Edit History". Click on "Original version with no edits".

[randys1]

47. Oh wait, now I know what you are asking me...it said Obama sold us out to the

highest bidder.

And while I am used to that shit including used to it here of all places, I was just in no mood at the time and alerted.

[DURHAM D]

48. It was not your post that was edited.

It was the one linked in Post #8 above.

[randys1]

49. I just this second realized what she was asking...thanks

see post 47

thanks

I am saying she, not sure if that is correct

[NanceGreggs]

22. Taking a stand seems pointless ...

... unless the Admins finally take a stand.

And their doing so is long overdue.

[Cha]

17. The "TPP"..

Wah!

[steve2470]

9. It's telling that when he does good things, DU is pretty damn quiet

Yes, a few of us will say something, but it's very very quiet here. Hmm...... I would think all good progressives would applaud good actions.

[randys1]

12. Good progressives and liberals do.

[steve2470]

14. yep, I try to and I know you try to

The BOG does and this subforum does. General Discussion is quiet as a tomb on those days.

[Cha]

19. Mustn't give the President credit.. seems a certain someone is running against him.

[betsuni]

25. I haven't seen that one before, LOL.

[Cha]

30. Me neither! another one..

[betsuni]

31. Heh

And from January 2017 everything will be Hillary's fault!

[Cha]

32. Precisely..

[BlueMTexpat]

61. Love your Sean Bean graphic!

Totally off-topic, have you ever seen the Sharpe series?

He is awesome there. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sharpe_(TV_series)

[Cha]

63. No I haven't.. thanks though.

[Purveyor]

24. I post many OP's on President Obama achievements and

you are right, all but {{{crickets}}}.

Personally I think he has been the best President in my lifetime with just a few exceptions. I don't expect to find 'perfect' during my stay on this planet.

[steve2470]

66. I'm glad you do that! I agree with you!

So many on this site make ABSOLUTE FUCKING POLITICAL PERFECTION the enemy of the good. It's the same crew that was critical of FDR back in the day. They will NEVER be satisfied. If Bernie gets elected (which I don't think he will but I'm still voting for him), they will be all over his case the moment he does anything even remotely centrist.

[LiberalArkie]

51. The thing is as Democrats we WILL jump all over our elected people when we fill they

have done something wrong. Democrats have always held their elected people to a high level of responsibility unlike the Republicans. A republican will never ever find fault with their people. They are NEVER ever wrong. If a Republican President was to declare martial law no Republican would find fault.

We are Democrats, we hold our candidates and elected officials to a higher level, and we should. It is when we don't that we get in trouble.

[JustAnotherGen]

59. Some of them

I've noticed Senators Warren and Sanders - at least at DU -

Seem to be presented as Gods who have never done a single wrong thing in their personal or political lives.


That's disturbing.

I have more of an issue with troops on the ground and drones than I do the TPP. But I don't use derogatory language to describe the President.

The Republicant Thugs have done a good enough job of that without me adding to it.

[steve2470]

65. good points nt

[steve2470]

64. Nuanced, balanced and accurate critiques are fine but give credit when due

Most vocal critics of President Obama never give him credit. Hmmm........ Another thing, it's one thing to offer a critique and another thing to be so hostile that you appear to be a Republican. Another hmm...... I'm not referring to you with my remarks, but I see this all the time. I'm a pragmatist. President Obama is the very best we can get in this political zeitgeist. There is no fucking way we are going to get the precise equivalent of FDR unless we have another officially recognized depression. Yea, I know people say we are STILL in a depression, but it has never been officially recognized and official unemployment (U3 I think) never hit 24% as in 1933.

Look, you and I will never agree, so let's just agree to disagree.

[MeNMyVolt]

10. K&R It's a weird time around here Randys1.

Please don't let it get you down. There are a lot of non-Dems who happen to be quite active on this board, but as I'm sure you know, there are also a lot of really great people here.

I'm also very "protective" of PBO. It's been hell here for the last 6 years in many respects.

[randys1]

13. Thanks, I just have to remind myself who is here and who is pretending to be who etc

[Cha]

15. Thank you for being on the right side of history, Randy.

Those who make anonymous, cheap ignorant, pot shots @ President Obama are on the junk pile.

It's been this way for a long time now.. but, too bad for them. The President is popular and appreciated in our Country and has accomplished exponentially more than a certain candidate ever has or will.



I know how pissed you are.. I get pissed too.. and then I remember the damn bubble that is DU and this is reality..



Obama's Not Selling us OUT! LOL ROFL and, anyone who spouts that doesn't have a gd clue.


The White House
✔ ‎@WhiteHouse
"We can never say it often or loudly enough: Immigrants, and refugees, revitalize and renew America." —@POTUS
1:09 PM - 15 Dec 2015
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http://theobamadiary.com/2015/12/16/chat-away-735/

[randys1]

16. Awesome....have you seen this?

PRESIDENT OBAMA HAS DONE A LOT! A LIST OF 318 ACCOMPLISHMENTS SO FAR, WITH CITATIONS

http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/

[Cha]

18. OH yeah! Milt Shook was one of my favorite site's to link to show what the President has

Accomplished .. back when it was "118"!

And, now it's "318"!

A lot of them just sniff their nose and whine about "single payer".. wah! Which of course had nothing to do with reality.

Thank you!

[BlueMTexpat]

62. I absolutely love how children respond to President Obama.

He is sensational with them - every single one! Their delight is almost palpable.

They respond very well to Hillary too.

OK, I know much better than to base my response to any candidate merely on the way that children respond to them, but I cannot seem to find any photos of Bernie interacting with children other than his own.

They also seem to respond to MO'M.

[JustAnotherGen]

67. Great pic!

I'm an O'Malley supporter. Happy Sunday and thanks you!

[BlueMTexpat]

68. Thanks back and Happy Sunday to you as well! eom

[wildeyed]

20. It's been deleted.

Kinda. Now it is a dig now on being overly sensitive. Fuck this is right.

[brer cat]

27. Hang tough, randys1.

We need you right here, right now.

[GusBob]

28. This primary season has been ugly

Long time Democrats are being attacked because a long time Independent is running

Not cool

[Fearless]

33. If you say so.

I find it hard to believe you if you won't give evidence.

[uponit7771]

45. Search for Obama used car salesman

[hay rick]

35. Obama's support of TPP deserves to be viciously attacked. nt

[Cha]

36. No. it. doesn't. I trust the President on this. But, yeah "vicious" is what comes from the

anonymous internet, cheap pot shot shooters.

[Jim Lane]

39. I've also attacked the TPP and I'm not anonymous.

Unlike you and just about everyone else in this thread, I post under my real name. So don't pull that "anonymous" smear on me, Cha (or whatever your real name is).

I voted for Obama over Clinton in the 2008 primary. I voted for him in both general elections, and went door-to-door for him in 2008. I'm no Obama hater. But I'm also entitled to exercise my independent judgment on specific issues. My judgment is that he's very, very wrong on TPP.

I'm hardly alone. A considerable number of people who overall support Obama (environmentalists, trade unions, etc.) have parted company with him on the TPP. That doesn't prove that we're right, but it does suggest that criticisms of his handling of this issue should not be dismissed as the product of "cheap pot shot shooters" (a phrase that some would consider to be vicious).

Exactly what wording constitutes "vicious" disagreement will inevitably be in the eye of the beholder. It's more productive to devote energy to setting forth the advantages and disadvantages of this particular proposed trade agreement. So far, most of the pro-TPP posts that I've seen on DU have consisted of (1) dismissing criticisms as based on mere leaks, although those later turned out to be essentially accurate, and (2) arguing that current law is pretty bad so the additional harm done by the TPP would be less than it otherwise would be. I personally am not persuaded by either contention.

[Cha]

40. I don't care.. attack away .. I trust President Obama.. he's earned my trust. Not you.

[Jim Lane]

41. Médecins Sans Frontières and the Electronic Frontier Foundation have also earned my trust.

I support President Obama. I also support both those organizations. My support, though, doesn't mean that I blindly agree with any of the three about anything.

That's a good thing, too, because they differ on this issue. If I thought all three were infallible, I'd have a problem.

By the way, has Hillary Clinton also earned your trust? In October, she said about the TPP: "As of today, I am not in favor of what I have learned about it." (Source: "Hillary Clinton Comes Out Against TPP") I think that's still her position.

[Coolest Ranger]

44. Your hostality towards him is not needed

Go to general discussion for that please.

[randys1]

50. His support of TPP is a big problem for me. Of course TPP would be a moot point had ANY

con been elected in 2008,. because the miracles Obama has performed for our economy would never have happened and we would have no economy to fuck with the way TPP surely will.

Unless you are on here on a daily basis, CONGRATULATING Obama for any of these 318 accomplishments, then your criticism means absolutely nothing to me


http://pleasecutthecrap.com/obama-accomplishments/


Did he accomplish all this or didnt he?

[hay rick]

55. I'm glad you agree that TPP is a problem.

I believe in giving credit where credit is due without using genuine accomplishments as a justification for mistakes. If people can't disagree with particular policies without being accused of attacking the man then it is difficult to have a meaningful discussion. Yes, President Obama has done many good things, particularly given the counterproductive congress he has been stuck with for most of his two terms. But I continue to believe that his unwavering support of TPP is misguided. FWIW, I thought Proserpina's original post was over the top.

[randys1]

56. He is attacked as is Hillary non stop here and elsewhere. You are clearly displaying

a reasonable attitude and are not here solely to attack and I appreciate that.

I have to laugh because you see I am a person who believes allowing ownership of DIRT or land by individuals or corps, is completely insane.

Get a teaparty govt and this would mean Waikiki Beach would be renamed to Koch Sand, and it would be reserved for his family only as would YellowKochStone, if you get my drift.

I also believe that we must nationalize oil/gas including all energy like electricity. Internet also must be nationalized in that we all must be able to have unlimited access to the fastest in the world, and we pay for it thru taxes, same thing with healthcare, no more insurance, etc.

I.E. I am so far left that even Bernie would get dizzy around me, yet, I can and will voraciously support and work on the Hillary campaign if my first choice, Bernie, is not picked.

I will do it as if your daughter or granddaughter's life depends on it, because it does if she ever wants reproductive healthcare.

So you can see why I get pissed at certain folks around here.

[hay rick]

58. One of my core beliefs is that progress should mean prosperity.

When we have a growing economy but increasing poverty and inequality we need to figure out what we are doing wrong. Interesting that the Koch brothers founded Americans for Prosperity which advocates for extreme personal (and corporate) property rights.

[wildeyed]

37. Let's watch Obama's 2008 keynote address

at the 2004 Dem convention. So young and handsome. OMG, was that an epic speech? I was watching live and making dinner that night. Dunno what happened to the dinner. All I remember was watching gape mouthed, thinking WHO IS THIS? WHO IS THIS? THIS IS AN AMAZING SPEECH! WHO?????

What really set him apart for me was his ability to find common ground. I have been frustrated with him at times, wished he was a bit more of a brawler, but you know what? This deal he did on the climate change pact? That was next level stuff. Fit perfectly with his skills set. He did ADA. Not perfect, but he did SOMETHING. Considering the BS with the GOP congress, he got a lot done. Not sure why he is so viciously attacked here.

[Number23]

38. Guys, it's getting pretty Meta-y in here. Between this thread, pmwmom's, Kev's and 1SBM's

there is alot of talk about DU going on in here right now.

And let's be honest, this place is really not that interesting and the people we're talking about are sure as shit not worth the attention.

[betsuni]

42. We need some music. In a holiday mood:

[Number23]

60. Now THAT'S what I'm talking about!

[Coolest Ranger]

46. Can we please do somethng about

those posters who want to constantly whine about the President. General Discussion exists for a reason and I really wish they go there.

[Demit]

52. I don't normally come here but...

My DU page is Latest Threads and this showed up on it so I clicked on it.

I looked up the "Statement of Purpose" for your group, and here is what it says:

"Discuss topics and issues which affect the African-American community. DUers from all races are welcome to participate."

It doesn't say that you can't criticize the president. It doesn't say you can't criticize his policies. Presumably his policies affect African Americans, so I'm curious: how are posters who 'whine' about the president violating the purpose of the group?

[Coolest Ranger]

54. and I am fed up with posters

who always use that excuse.

[Demit]

57. I don't know what "excuse" you mean. Referring to the Statement of Purpose?

However, I get the definite feeling from your non-answer that I'm not welcome, and neither is my question.

You want to "do something" about posters whose posts you don't like? Keep up the attitude! it will work to keep a lot of people away.

[randys1]

53. That is my fault. I put so much into this. Into exposing voter obstruction, getting people

to vote, then I come to what is supposed to be a liberal site, only for liberals, and I do my schtick and find out that LIBERAL talk like mine is too much for most.

I know why...

My bad on META also...problem is we cant discuss the real issues without being hidden.

[Coolest Ranger]

43. When did this happen?

Of course I'm getting sick of Obama Derangement Syndrome.