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FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:09 PM Feb 2016

NOT Even A F*cking Clue!

= White Politician Bringing up Welfare only while courting the AA Vote
= Classic case of blatant obnoxious Pandering
= Amazingly Clueless approach

As stated in a thread which prompted me to write this one.....

I'm kinda of extra pissed right now, so please excuse me!

Here's why:
today's Sanders is pointing the finger at Bill Clinton in reference to 1994 Welfare reform...
without any context to that time period or anything else!
A time when our economy was booming, and it was called "Welfare to Work"....not "taking Welfare away right now"!
adding further injury, that Bill and Hillary are just so totally interchangeable, they might as well just do a merger,
right f*cking NOW!

It's like Sanders think if he promises us "Free stuff"....
we are supposed to like him better,
because Bill Clinton, that very bad man, took away our "Free stuff"/welfare away from us....
So how could we possibly "like" his wife??

THE REALITY is so many more White people took advantage of Welfare,
that it ain't even funny,
but somehow, the word "Welfare" is never mentioned when Sanders deals with those other
groups in the Democratic party, just the AA community
but only when he's attempting to gain the Black vote!

And so Sanders simply perpetuates the insulting and dangerous stereotype
that is still with us today, to try to gain some votes?


As written in this piece that anyone can read when asking context as to why
a majority of AAs give face palm to Bernie Sanders, especially older Americans
who seen it all play out before like one continuous loop!

This term “Political Revolution”, for some of us who have lived that long, harken back to the days of the 1960’s “War on Poverty”. It is a war that we are still fighting today, and in so doing, we are also forced to fight race based stereotypes it put upon us, which have stubbornly lasted to our detriment since. It is the tried and untrue slur of how people of color always seem to want something without working for it, aka, something for nothing. The War on Poverty, while perhaps well-meaning in its intent, left an ugly-spirited stain upon, that we have been trying to wash out ever since. The whole racist connotation of the “Welfare Queen” has, in fact, won many elections, year after year. It is a legacy that may have hurt us more as an entire race of people, than the benevolent benefits it ever intended.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118739074





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NOT Even A F*cking Clue! (Original Post) FrenchieCat Feb 2016 OP
It's the typical stereotyping leftofcool Feb 2016 #1
Umm...the cuts to welfare disproportionally hurt the AA community the most... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #2
More stereotyping leftofcool Feb 2016 #3
Stereotyping? Perhaps you should do a little reading... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #11
Perhaps you should do a lot of reading right here in the AA group... Spazito Feb 2016 #15
Better to read someone's opinion piece that aligns with one's own thinking FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #18
Certainly easier than trying to educate oneself by listening to those who... Spazito Feb 2016 #22
AA Group host here: This is your warning. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #17
Thank you for that continuation..... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #4
Sure... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #26
So Sanders is using the fact that proportionally, Since more Black Folks are on Food stamps.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #31
Oh look, another person (whom I've never seen before in this group) lecturing Black people YoungDemCA Feb 2016 #33
?? imaginary girl Feb 2016 #42
Huh? You posted a chart showing everyone got less poor during Clinton's terms Recursion Feb 2016 #43
No wonder all the lefiest of the leftier left hate him so much!1one Number23 Feb 2016 #48
Like I have said to you ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #53
That shit is; pkdu Feb 2016 #5
Oh snap...I'm in trouble... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #27
You are blocked. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #30
Looks like I wasted some writing on this joker up above. YoungDemCA Feb 2016 #35
It is a nice post! Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #38
Starry Coolest Ranger Feb 2016 #50
((hugs)) Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #54
When the poster got angry the truth comes out "What the fuck dont you get about that?" randys1 Feb 2016 #64
That's nonsense radical noodle Feb 2016 #14
Jesus H Christ...again Clinton's policies disproportinally affected the AA community... hoosierlib Feb 2016 #29
Bye Felicia... Digital Puppy Feb 2016 #46
lol lovemydog Feb 2016 #47
Ha ha ha!!!! nt MADem Feb 2016 #67
"NO ONE should be singling out African Americans for this discussion." Number23 Feb 2016 #49
agreed Coolest Ranger Feb 2016 #51
You realize if Bernie doesnt win the primary, you will be blamed, right? randys1 Feb 2016 #65
I would like to see the polls at the time... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #6
The Right created the stereotypes of welfare queens, "urban" criminals, and other such awful notions YoungDemCA Feb 2016 #37
Great post Gothmog Feb 2016 #7
Can you name something, ANYTHING that either Clinton bvar22 Feb 2016 #8
Jobs and rising income JI7 Feb 2016 #9
Please.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #10
Facts, what a concept mcar Feb 2016 #12
Maybe if Naderites would have voted for Gore.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #16
I live in FL mcar Feb 2016 #25
Here are some more "facts" bvar22 Feb 2016 #19
The subject was WELFARE since that is what Bernie Sanders is talking about today..... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #24
The larger subject is whether Clinton's policies helped or hurt African Americans FiveGoodMen Feb 2016 #63
Adding.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #13
Looks pretty flat to me, bvar22 Feb 2016 #21
You must be looking at the "white people" lines on the graph! FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #32
AA Group host here: This is your warning. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #20
Thank You. n/t Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #28
I guess they really *didn't* just want an answer to their question about Black Clinton voters. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #34
Thank you! Because I. JUST. CAN'T. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #59
It's kind of like the Energizer Bunny. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #62
Just study 1992 on..... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #23
they are blaming Clinton for the Bush disaster JI7 Feb 2016 #39
Well, we know that Bush Gave giant tax cuts to Rich People.... FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #45
Ugh, I'm so tired of this condescending bullshit. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #36
Its Nauseating! FrenchieCat Feb 2016 #40
I really can't believe ppl can be this clueless. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #41
I can Coolest Ranger Feb 2016 #52
Hell ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #56
Yes indeed. I know the main culprits. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #57
Can it really be called "Clueless" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #55
Lol, if only seen the multiple words I deleted. giftedgirl77 Feb 2016 #58
Are you preparing, for both here at DU and in real life, for the backlash, the blame that you randys1 Feb 2016 #66
Res ipsa loquitur DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #44
So you like welfare for giant corporations who pay minimum wage better than mhatrw Feb 2016 #60
Why do so many white people JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #61
I think it's for the same reason that so many of them like those costumed wrestling matches. MADem Feb 2016 #68

leftofcool

(19,460 posts)
1. It's the typical stereotyping
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:28 PM
Feb 2016

What he said about this does him a great deal of damage and evidently he doesn't realize it.

 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
2. Umm...the cuts to welfare disproportionally hurt the AA community the most...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:29 PM
Feb 2016

Bernie is drawing distinctions between himself and the Clintons...especially as it pertains to African Americans. The cut to welfare and it other social programs along with the de-industrialization of our country due to globalization and free trade deals (i.e. NAFTA) have contributed greatly to African Americans falking deeper into poverty. Both of those are Clinton legacies...

And the Clinton's are interchangeable and the had a merger when they got married...

Spazito

(49,735 posts)
15. Perhaps you should do a lot of reading right here in the AA group...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:14 PM
Feb 2016

take you fingers off your keyboard and start reading threads posted by AA members about issues and concerns they have and ways in which those issues and concerns can be addressed. Were you to do that, you would learn a great deal as I have and would realize how wrong you are.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
18. Better to read someone's opinion piece that aligns with one's own thinking
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:18 PM
Feb 2016

That's called being "informed" these days!

Spazito

(49,735 posts)
22. Certainly easier than trying to educate oneself by listening to those who...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:22 PM
Feb 2016

actually know, it might cause introspection and that isn't acceptable it seems.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
17. AA Group host here: This is your warning.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:18 PM
Feb 2016

"All are welcome as long as they bring empathy and positive intent to the group. We experience America differently back here. Our regular subscribers are people who care and who are respectful of our experiences."

Take it back to GDP please. Another post in here and you will be blocked.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
4. Thank you for that continuation.....
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:33 PM
Feb 2016

1. More Black people were on Welfare than Whites, which isn't true.

2. So you don't think that Black people were poorer as a whole compared to the rest of the population before and after Clinton.
You think it was only due to "the" Clinton (singular).

2. Women don't have their own identities, if they are married. Meaning that a wife will vote just like her husband,
cause hell, she is her husband!



Anything else?....

 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
26. Sure...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:55 PM
Feb 2016

1) I never claimed that. However if you're counting pure numbers of people, then yes, there are more white people on social welfare programs than African Americans. In 2013 there were 9.1 million whites on SNAP and only 5.9M African Americans. A better measure is look at the percentage of the population. Using that metric, roughly 5% (9.1 million white participants / 198 million total population) of the white population uses SNAP benefits, while 11% (5.9 million white participants / 53 million total population) of African Americans. So yeah, their rate is higher due to more of the African American population living poverty.

2) All races have gotten poorer since the Clinton's presidency...poverty rates have been increasing the end of Clinton's presidency



3) What decade are you living?

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
31. So Sanders is using the fact that proportionally, Since more Black Folks are on Food stamps....
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:04 PM
Feb 2016

That Black Folks should now be pissed that Clinton took away "our" welfare?
Even though all indications point that one of the largest reduction in AA poverty
occurred under "THE" Clinton presidency. Really?

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
33. Oh look, another person (whom I've never seen before in this group) lecturing Black people
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:12 PM
Feb 2016

About politics and economics. And not just anywhere on DU. No, you did that in a group that was specifically designed for African Americans/Black people and other Persons of Color to share their experiences and views, and for whites who wish to increase their level of knowledge, understanding, and appreciation of the experiences of African-Americans/PoC.

You could at least have done what you have done here in GD: P, where that kind of thing will get you lots of recs and attaboys these days. But please, for the sake of this community...don't do it here.

imaginary girl

(856 posts)
42. ??
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:54 PM
Feb 2016

But your own chart shows poverty rates going down during the Clinton years. It goes up after GWB takes office.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
43. Huh? You posted a chart showing everyone got less poor during Clinton's terms
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:56 PM
Feb 2016

Did you read your own chart?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
53. Like I have said to you ...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:29 AM
Feb 2016

the more some post, the more they betray an inch deep understanding of the topic they seek to provide lecture.

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
5. That shit is;
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

a. A word-salad Palin would be proud of
b. Deflection of the highest order ( not in any way addressing wht pissed off the OP) and ..
c. Likely to cause you to get your ass handed to you when FrenchieCat gets back online

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
30. You are blocked.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016
27. Oh snap...I'm in trouble...

sarcasm...


And this one:

29. Jesus H Christ...again Clinton's policies disproportinally affected the AA community...

What the fuck don't you get about that?


Both posted after warning. Thank you.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
50. Starry
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:17 AM
Feb 2016

thank you for blocking him. I get so tired of people coming in this group trying to disrespect us with their hate for the Clintons. It makes me feel like I'm being lectured by a superior being.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
64. When the poster got angry the truth comes out "What the fuck dont you get about that?"
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:30 PM
Feb 2016

Whitesplainig, lecturing, and real angry that the POC may not vote the way they want.

But other than your blocking them here, their posts will never be hidden, mine will.

radical noodle

(7,990 posts)
14. That's nonsense
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:11 PM
Feb 2016

How many white Hoosiers are on various welfare type programs? The food stamp capital of the US is white. No one... repeat... NO ONE should be singling out African Americans for this discussion. It perpetuates the myth that welfare is a "black" thing and they're all just sitting around waiting for their checks from the government so they can go buy drugs and cadillacs. That's the Welfare Queen picture the right wing has painted for decades.

The fact is that Sanders and his campaign are tone deaf.

 

hoosierlib

(710 posts)
29. Jesus H Christ...again Clinton's policies disproportinally affected the AA community...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:03 PM
Feb 2016

What the fuck don't you get about that?

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
51. agreed
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:22 AM
Feb 2016

that was a great block and I'm glad that guy is gone. If you can't respect black people who have a different life path than you don't come in here and post

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,704 posts)
6. I would like to see the polls at the time...
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

Hindsight is better than foresight and all groups supported welfare reform and criminal justice reform. It is an affront to black folk to suggest they are more sympathetic to criminals or individuals that game the welfare system than any other folk.

 

YoungDemCA

(5,714 posts)
37. The Right created the stereotypes of welfare queens, "urban" criminals, and other such awful notions
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:25 PM
Feb 2016

Seems like some white liberals have internalized those stereotypes, even when they think that they are helping Black people.

In my experience, the vast majority of Black people - men and women, working-class and middle-class, rich and poor, educated and less educated - do not fit those crude, racist stereotypes, and certainly resent the small minority of Black individuals who are criminals or cheats.

Which reminds me: there are plenty of white people who even I, as a white person, want nothing to do with, yet none of us whites are ever judged in racial terms by the actions of criminals or assholes in general. Black people and other PoC, on the other hand...



bvar22

(39,909 posts)
8. Can you name something, ANYTHING that either Clinton
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 07:44 PM
Feb 2016

has done for PoC?

*Welfare Deform was a HUGE disaster for the Black Community.

*"Free Trade" cost all of us Working folks MILLIONS of jobs, but especially hurt those in the lower SES, as "step down" workers started competing for lower paying jobs.

*Mass Incarcerations disproportionately targeting Black People.

*Private Prisons that are PAID to keep the beds full...also disproportionately populated by Black People (Hillary takes campaign contributions from them)

* Draconian Drug Laws (again targeting the Black Community) and mandatory sentencing.


So help me understand.
What has either Clinton ever done for PoC to earn their support?

the two issues that President Clinton should be held most accountable for are the real effects of his welfare reform initiative and the real effects of his criminal justice policies. In both areas the Democrats were allowed to come into the Black community and speak as if their efforts on both of these issues were good for Black America, offering dubious "evidence" to support their claims.

On the issues of welfare reform and criminal justice, President Clinton and Democrats have a habit of only presenting only half of the facts in order to spin "success stories". Late last year President Clinton claimed that welfare reform had been a success because the welfare rolls had been decreased dramatically and because former welfare recipients had "found jobs". If success in welfare means a wholesale dropping of people out of the program, than by all measures welfare reform has been a success as numerous people have been cut from public assistance.

http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=320


FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
16. Maybe if Naderites would have voted for Gore....
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:15 PM
Feb 2016

in 2000, the charts would have had a different trajectory than they did!

That's part of the problem, we get someone in who does good,
folks cry about it anyways,
and we end up taking a bunch of steps back.....

The Clinton presidency pulled people out of poverty...
and then in comes George W. Bush....





But hey I know! ...let's blame THE Clinton for every thing, when we aren't too busy blaming Obama instead!

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
19. Here are some more "facts"
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:18 PM
Feb 2016

Over 1 MILLION Black People were imprisoned under the Clinton Administration (That is 4X the previous rate.)
Prisoners are NOT counted as unemployed.

Why don't you go back and factor the MILLION into your "unemployment" stats,
and then come back with the truth.

If you don't want them showing up on the unemployment numbers, Throw them in jail!!!

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
24. The subject was WELFARE since that is what Bernie Sanders is talking about today.....
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:44 PM
Feb 2016

So don't change the subject!

FiveGoodMen

(20,018 posts)
63. The larger subject is whether Clinton's policies helped or hurt African Americans
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 07:30 PM
Feb 2016

Why single out welfare?

The question is whether AAs should trust Hillary and what we can learn from the Clinton's history.

The charts that you've presented do seem to indicate that the Bill Clinton years were a time of improving economic circumstances for black people in America. (Of course those years were an economic boon to just about everyone)

However, others here have pointed to policies that disproportionately locked black people in prison (among other problems). That's certainly a serious matter and not something to skirt around with talk about changing the subject.

Beyond that, Hillary's recent history and current ties indicate that she'll only help the rich. Presumably, that includes rich African Americans...but the rest of us (any color) will not benefit.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
21. Looks pretty flat to me,
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:21 PM
Feb 2016

especially since the last 5 years were "Recovery" years.
Would you like to see how the well connected did during those years?
They sure weren't "sharing" with Americans who Work for a Living,
and that includes PoC.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
20. AA Group host here: This is your warning.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 08:19 PM
Feb 2016

Last edited Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:22 PM - Edit history (1)

And you have been asked politely before to not come back in here, so this is really a courtesy post to you. www.democraticunderground.com/118721760#post137

"All are welcome as long as they bring empathy and positive intent to the group. We experience America differently back here. Our regular subscribers are people who care and who are respectful of our experiences."

Take it back to GDP please. Another post in here and you will be blocked.

Posted this, after being asked to not post in here again:

Looks pretty flat to me,

especially since the last 5 years were "Recovery" years.
Would you like to see how the well connected did during those years?
They sure weren't "sharing" with Americans who Work for a Living,
and that includes PoC.


Blocked.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
34. I guess they really *didn't* just want an answer to their question about Black Clinton voters.
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 09:12 PM
Feb 2016

Hmm, what a surprise.

FrenchieCat

(68,867 posts)
45. Well, we know that Bush Gave giant tax cuts to Rich People....
Wed Feb 24, 2016, 10:09 PM
Feb 2016

and didn't stimulate Sh*t to create jobs! Perhaps Gore would have done it differently,
but we'll never know cause Susan Tylenol Sarandon and her Naderite friends voted Nader!

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
52. I can
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:25 AM
Feb 2016

when non people of color can't answer what their candidate and I won't name drop because I don't want to risk a hide but when they can't tell me what their candidate will do for POC like myself, instead they deflect and dodge and go back to the economic BS which I'm not interested in. It's so damn frustrating to be ignored and treated like a seven year old.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
56. Hell ...
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:40 AM
Feb 2016

and even in the economic BS, they can't tell anyone HOW it will get done, beyond ... Political Revolution!!!

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
58. Lol, if only seen the multiple words I deleted.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 02:17 PM
Feb 2016

Clueless was the only thing I could come up with that would provide me with the lowest chance of a hide.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
66. Are you preparing, for both here at DU and in real life, for the backlash, the blame that you
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 08:35 PM
Feb 2016

know who will put on YOU if Bernie doesnt win the nomination?

I am serious.

mhatrw

(10,786 posts)
60. So you like welfare for giant corporations who pay minimum wage better than
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:00 PM
Feb 2016

welfare for mothers with children to raise?

Because that's exactly what Clinton's "welfare reform" accomplished. It supplied fast food chains and retail chains such as McDonalds and Walmart with millions of mothers forced to take jobs at the lowest possible wage.

JustAnotherGen

(31,681 posts)
61. Why do so many white people
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 04:04 PM
Feb 2016

Support Donald Trump? Are they thinking he's going to give each one a McDonald's or a Wal-Mart store?

MADem

(135,425 posts)
68. I think it's for the same reason that so many of them like those costumed wrestling matches.
Thu Feb 25, 2016, 10:39 PM
Feb 2016

They look at him like one of those characters, only on the world stage! They want him to put Putin in a head lock and slam him to the mat, then hit him with a folding chair!

They love spectacle, and it's just not real to them.

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