Bravenak is on another timeout. A thread was started and then locked.

[LiberalArkie]

Last edited Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:22 PM - Edit history (1)

Here is Bravenak's transparency page: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=300456&sub=trans

I don't understand myself the alert.

This alert madness has to stop.

Bravenak may sometimes be over the top, but I was also when I was younger.

As I posted earlier when I was discussing with someone earlier about this year. It feels a lot like 1968. There
was a lot of hatred towards blacks that spoke their minds, towards the long hairs, to the white boys who protested Jim Crow, a lot of hatred towards the war protesters essentially anyone who was not establishment.

It just seems so easy these days to remove your voice and presence.

When someone's voice is locked out it brings bad some very bad memories of the 50's and 60's.

Bravenak and I do not agree with many things, but she has a right to say things that people do not like to here as long as she does not break the TOS.

Correction: I was NOT on on the jury but I don't think she did BY LOOKING AT THE OTHER MESSAGES.

[randys1]

1. Jury system , given the numbers here, guarantees one group has free reign, and others

like myself have to be very very careful with every word.

I have to be careful not to point out racism.

[FarPoint]

11. Bingo!!!!

That is 100% correct.

[LiberalArkie]

12. I don't mind pointing it out at all. But a lot of people do not like me pointing out

that there are attacks against poor blacks by rich blacks also.. When you can see someone like Scalia being buddy-buddy with Thomas, you can see there isn't much racism between rich whites and rich blacks.

[brush]

52. Do you really think that was an equal friendship?

Seems Thomas, the silent one, was being led how to think and rule by Scalia.

[Hortensis]

66. Tucking in here results of another, post-T-O Bravenak alert.

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
Mail Message
On Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:59 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

The Neverending Tone Deafness of Bernie Sanders
http://www.democraticunderground.com/110756492

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The author of this piece is on a time out from DU, the op knows this and posted it to circumvent the rules, it was already hidden once but he reposted:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511342677

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=300456

Posters who have their privileges suspended are not allowed to post by proxy, please hide.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Feb 26, 2016, 07:37 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stop whining. People post things from banned DUers all the time. This doesn't violate the TOS. It shouldn't be hidden just because you don't like it.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The material, and viewpoint, posted should not be smothered but part of our open and honest discussion. It would be wrong to do so.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Oh really? Manny is permanently banned from DU - not just on timeout - and his OPs are often posted here by proxy. Also, there's practically a shrine to him in the BS group. So get over your bad self. There's no rule against this on DU.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: @Alerter: Someone's "time-out" status on DU really has no bearing on whether or not their writings ELSEWHERE should be censored...especially within the Hillary Group. And what's with this "not allowed to post by proxy" nonsense? DKOS is a legitimate source of information and opinion (supposedly). This alert is absurd on the face of it, and is an abuse of the system.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[MADem]

72. That alerter should be sanctioned by the admins for lying about the TOS in the alert to try and

dupe jurors into voting for a HIDE. There's no rule against posting diaries from The Orange Site.

And, speaking of the Orange Site, I've started reading over there, to try to get a sense of the culture and to see if I could stand the "diary" format (it seems a little pretentious to me, a bit Emo-journal-like, but maybe it will grow on me) and guess what they've started doing over there? Putting assholes in the corner on Time Out!!!

Bob Johnson Feb 25 · 03:44:34 PM
kos, nice job on all the TOs. It’s a lot more sane in here today.

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pucklady Bob Johnson Feb 25 · 04:00:12 PM
Woah. Just checked the TO’s. Impressive!

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Wisper pucklady Feb 25 · 04:03:14 PM
Really? How do you search that?

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pucklady Wisper Feb 25 · 04:13:43 PM
Up in the [search] box, enter something. When you get to the next page, click [users] and enter a recent date range. I did the last two days. You get a list of all users starting with Kos who have commented in the last two days. Then sort the list by mojo. It will sort highest first, giving you Kos again. Click sort by mojo again to go in the opposite direction.

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Wisper pucklady Feb 25 · 04:21:02 PM
Thank you!

Holy hell… thats a lot of people!

Is this just flagging or did Kos really start bringing the hammer down?

Wow.

4

pucklady Wisper Feb 25 · 04:22:43 PM
I don’t know how it works. Whether it is automatic or hammered. I like to check weekly or so to find out who has been banned recently.

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Bob Johnson Wisper Feb 25 · 04:35:26 PM
I think it was administrative.

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skohayes Wisper Feb 25 · 05:49:31 PM
Happens every presidential season, pie fights get out of hand, kos gets tired of the crap, and bannings, TOs and NRs commence.

You don’t want to see kos when he’s pissed off.

Boney mojo photo bonymojo.jpg
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Wisper skohayes Feb 25 · 05:59:56 PM
LOL.. yes Sko. I am aware, having been here since 2006.

But usually there is a “Enough of your fucking shit” post on the front page to accompany it. And usually they are BANS where people then have to ask to be let back in.

I didn’t see anything that would have prompted this kind of smiting.

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skohayes Wisper Feb 25 · 06:05:18 PM
He’s given some warnings in the past couple of weeks, not a whole diary, but certainly in some of his comments.

I must have stayed out of the right diaries.



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tjhoneycutt skohayes Feb 25 · 06:29:35 PM
at a quick glance it looks like it was a fairly “bipartisan” action

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Has anyone here ever participated over there? How hard is it to get the lay of the land? I haven't yet signed up so I don't know if you see more if you have an account, or if the site is easier to navigate if you are signed in. I'm getting pretty tired of the stalking and harassment over here, though, and close to pulling the plug.

[MADem]

69. I got swarmed the other day, too.

Bravenak is over at KOS--she wrote a really good essay over there the other day.

I never liked the orange place, because of the whole "diary" bullshit and how it seems a bit self-important.

If things keep on, though, I might find my way over there. This system is a real fail, when someone can sign up as a sock on a Tuesday, and vote to hide a person on Friday for saying they aren't going to vote for a candidate they like.

The "All Powerful" cadre here has stepped over the line. I won't forget it, either.

[tk2kewl]

2. That was not offensive and should not have been hidden

Eom

[Shrike47]

8. I can only agree. That was not a hide.

[tk2kewl]

13. It was pretty good snark actually

[Gothmog]

3. I stand with Bravenak

[GeoWilliam750]

98. Completely agree

The alert stalking of Bravenak is pretty disgusting.

[fleur-de-lisa]

4. That was an odd hide.

I disagree with a lot of her posts (and I usually just ignore them) but I don't get the hide. What the hell?

[NV Whino]

5. Well, that was certainly a bogus hide

Bravenak can be annoying, but this alert stalking has to stop.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

6. I deleted my thread because I was afraid I would get a hide for posting it.

SIGH

[brer cat]

43. Can't believe it has come to this.

[72DejaVu]

7. He wants ALL of us to hate him Not just 75 percent

Go ahead, hide it again.

Goddamn bullies.

[Cha]

44. From what I understand.. the alerter said she was talking about BS when she clearly meant

cornel west.

And, yes you're right, DejaVu

[brush]

54. Yep! Sanders seems untouchable here. I'm banned from the Sanders group . . .

for something I posted. Something so trivial that I don't even remember what it was.

I found out by trying respond to a post that orginated from the Sanders group.

I didn't get an email or anything, just that I was banned, no name of who did it, and no way to appeal to get it lifted.

Crazy, right. Anyone can just do that and you don't know who and can't do anything about it.

[Chasstev365]

9. Let's see if my I'm 51 years old post gets an alert

(It's pretty harmless)

[giftedgirl77]

10. I've erased what I wanted to say about 5 times.

I can't begin to express my rage.

[Quayblue]

14. I do this waaaayy too much. smh nt

[Starry Messenger]

15. It's shameful

People who speak their minds about it get hidden too.

[LiberalArkie]

17. I still think I am the only one to get a thread locked by Skinner and another

by EarlG the same day.



Now watch me get banned. :>

[72DejaVu]

16. Well, I've had no hides, so I'm not afraid

Some of Sanders supporters act like the Red Guard during the Cultural Revolution.

Many Sanders supporters pretend not to see it, because they know the mob will turn on them if they even slightly deviate from the orthodoxy.

Most Sanders supporters know it's wrong, but are willing to allow it if it helps them win.

So hide this post and prove me right.

[mopinko]

18. 7. He wants ALL of us to hate him Not just 75 percent

there, i posted it again, too.
what a ridiculous hide. too much judging on personality and not enough on substance.

[LiberalArkie]

20. Yes, I agree. To me a hide is for when David Duke comes to AA and starts slinging crap.

Anything less is heated discussion and to hide is to stifle discussion.

[BlueCaliDem]

95. You're very fair and rational DUer, LiberalArkie, and please know it's appreciated.

[Cha]

45. It only works for bravenak, mo.

[mopinko]

47. i guess so.

this place. oy.

[femmedem]

19. I don't understand that hide either.

Or even the alert.

I disagree with Branenak frequently. I've also learned from her frequently. Sometimes--rarely--she posts things that are alertable, IMO, but this???? Nope. Not even remotely offensive.

[radical noodle]

21. This is so unfair

I have been on a jury almost every day in the last week. Yesterday I was on juries three times. It's unheard of. I try very hard to be thoughtful about my decisions and judge based on the entire conversation, not simply one post because it does make a difference sometimes. There is no way I would have voted to hide that post.

Something really needs to be done about this.

[LiberalArkie]

22. I made up my mind to hide if it is a very personal attack on a member and only then.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

24. Why are you happy she was silenced?

Does she pose a threat to you?

Do you silence those who disagree with you in real life?

How does that work out?

Thank you in advance.

[MineralMan]

67. That poster is also on a timeout now.

On Fri Feb 26, 2016, 07:23 AM you sent an alert on the following post:

nm.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=42929

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

YOUR COMMENTS

This poster is applauding the fact that a DUer is on timeout. No message - just applause. That's just plain rude and an attack on a DUer who cannot even respond. Ugly stuff.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Fri Feb 26, 2016, 07:30 AM, and voted 6-1 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: yup mean spirited
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Offensive gloating. Not appropriate on DU.
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: This post is disruptive
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Bravenak's post should not have been hidden (alert happy?). This poster's glee seems misguided but is hardly a ToS issue. Many are alert happy and this needs to stop. Leave it alone and call out the poster as many have done. Leave it.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: And I would add that this behavior is in a safe group. Dump the post.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given

[MADem]

73. Sounds like a foot warmer to me....

Profile information
About floriduck
Statistics and Information
Account status: Active but temporarily unable to post (Reason: Transparency page is displayed)
Member since: Mon Aug 30, 2010, 03:29 PM
Number of posts: 782
Number of posts, last 90 days: 505
Favorite forum: General Discussion: Primaries, 374 posts in the last 90 days (74% of total posts)
Favorite group: Bernie Sanders, 41 posts in the last 90 days (8% of total posts)
Last post: Thu Feb 25, 2016, 09:05 PM

[Digital Puppy]

26. Are you the one who art stalked her?

Can you give me the names of the other BS people who don't want anything critical said about their candidate? Maybe you can tell me how stupid I am for not waving a BS or HC flag? How many conversations in the AA forum have you been a part of?

Is this alertable? Do I need to apologize?? Don't hit me!

[floriduck]

28. Nope.

I've just thought some of Bravenak's posts were BS.

[Digital Puppy]

30. You sound like you did...did you ever serve on one of her juries?

Why would you come to the AA Forum? Which issues were you interested in discussing or did you just want to mock Bravenak and disrupt?

[floriduck]

32. Because I go down the list of "Latest Threads"

The only forum I don't bother with is Hillary's forum, since I am blocked from posting. And that one is worthless to me. So either give it up or prove I alerted it ( since I've only alerted one post in my time on this site). Further, I have no one on ignore. It's entertaining to read these.

[Digital Puppy]

38. Glad you are entertained and amused...

It's always nice to be able to see a person's character so quickly.

[LiberalArkie]

33. Maybe so, but she had a right to say them, or make a fool out of herself. We all do.

Lord 99% of the time she makes more sense than I do. I have my opinions and she has hers. I have a right to mine and she has a right to hers.

[floriduck]

34. I don't dispute that.

It's just a matter of preference.

[LanternWaste]

70. And applauding the time out of a poster simply because you disagree with them is

And applauding the time out of a poster simply because you disagree with them is "just a matter of character..."

[Kalidurga]

57. Really????

Thanks you make my never vote to hide a Bravenak post seem like a very very very good policy.

[Bobbie Jo]

25. Nice

But where were you when your fellow supporters were piling on her mercilessly?

This isn't the first time she's been targeted.

Meh

[SusanCalvin]

27. Sigh... Another bogus hide. nt

[kwassa]

29. More tyranny of the DU majority.

Who vote their political beliefs rather than objectively judge a post.

[EffieBlack]

42. It's not even a majority

It takes only 20 votes in 5 alerts for someone to be silenced, regardless how many votes they have in their favor in other alerts. For example, someone can be alerted 30 times and get left alone 25 times by a vote of 0-7, but if they are hidden 5 times by a 1-vote margin, they get cast out. In other words, a small minority can cause someone to be silenced.

It doesn't make any sense.

[kwassa]

48. There are multiple problems with this system.

The majority of this site is for Bernie, as all the polls here show.

Some of those supporters are wildly partisan, as can be seen in jury comments that are not remotely objective.

Another problem is that some jurors are completely clueless about the issue being discussed, or the context of the discussion, as revealed in their comments. They just aren't paying attention, but judge, anyways.

and the largest problem of all are the votes with no comments at all, which don't explain anything about the vote being made. Many hides are inexplicable, and very unfair.

[Leontius]

31. The jury system is many times a joke, not funny but a joke all the same

One person says Y and gets a hide another says Y and it's okay. You can only say what you have to say and take your chances that you will get reasonable, intelligent, fair and unbiased jurors. Being outspoken and truthtelling isn't respected by some they would rather silence someone than engage them. Jurors and alerters with an agenda all share the blame.

[LiberalArkie]

35. I would like the alert system to be that an alert can only be generated by the person the post

is directed to directly or from higher in the thread.

[Warpy]

36. I wouldn't have voted to hide any of those posts

Just who the fuck are some of these people on juries?

[MuseRider]

37. That did not look hideable to me.

I don't get it. Sure she makes me mad sometimes, who cares? She is a good poster and advocates very well for a number of issues. This just seems to be a bad jury decision.

Not sure exactly how this works but isn't she back by March 3rd? I sure hope so, at least it is not long. Damn.

[noretreatnosurrender]

39. Ideas Must be Addressed Not Supressed

If you disagree with someone's post you should say so in the thread and let others make up their minds who has the superior argument. There are way too many alerts in my opinion. I don't always agree with Bravenak, as I'm sure she doesn't always agree with me. I have, however, appreciated her for taking the time to bring articles to this forum even when they are not supportive of my candidate. You can't learn anything if you only look at the rah rah pieces.

[gollygee]

40. Her hides make Absolutely No Sense

That's ridiculous.

[EffieBlack]

41. This is awful

You are right - it's out of control.

Someone accused me of being a Bravenak sock and I didn't understand why because I didn't know they'd been put on a timeout. Now I get it.

[Cha]

46. Thank you for this, LA It's beyond a crisis.

[lovemydog]

49. DU Administrators, please review these hides.

Not one is remotely hide worthy. The hide today is from three days ago, was posted in this group, is humorous and not personal.

The effort to harass or silence bravenak and other black voices here at DU is shameful.

It's contrary to the liberal principles upon which this site was founded and should continue.

[MADem]

77. +1. Hell, +1001. nt

[mcar]

79. +1

[yardwork]

80. I agree.

[Spazito]

81. Great post...

I completely agree!

[Chichiri]

82. +1

[NEDem]

83. +1

This place is ridiculous these days.

[fun n serious]

84. +100000 nt

[Digital Puppy]

86. +1, but they don't give a crap about us or Bravenak

[LoveMyCali]

89. This place is ridiculous.

[UtahLib]

91. Plain and simple truth. nt

[Cary]

92. +1

It's not right.

[BooScout]

93. +1

[TexasTowelie]

94. +1

[brer cat]

96. +1

I stand with bravenak.

[MaggieD]

99. I stand with Bravenak

Damn straight.

[still_one]

104. +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

[Starry Messenger]

106. +1

[Cha]

110. Gracias for your post, lovemydog!

What "hides" are you talking about? I only see one hide in this thread and it's a name-removed.

I know there have been a lot of very bad bogus hides lately from those who just don't like a difference of opinion.. also they have to lie to get hides.

So No.. nothing Democratic about that. It's also not just the African Americans on this board but Hillary members who are my friends, too.

Mahalo for Marvin Gaye~

[lovemydog]

112. I'm talking about bravenak's hides.

All five are from 4-3 votes. Not one is a personal insult against another poster. Not one is a violation of the terms of service, rude or offensive in any way. De nada and mahalo Cha.

[Cha]

113. Oh most definitely I saw bravenak's bogus hides. The alerter lied on the

last one to get a hide.

Alert stalking and manipulating the alert to get their intended outcome by any means necessary.

I know a little about the egregious act of lying to get hide from a jury that obviously is sympathetic or isn't paying any attention.

My one hide is from just such an instance. The alerter/liar has since been PPRed but that doesn't help my hide status. It just makes me furious @ the FUBARED jury system because of my friends who are censored for no reason.. and my own personal experience.

Thank you again for your post, lovemydog

[betsuni]

50. The alert-stalkers miss bravenak when she's gone, tho.

It's killing the goose that lays the golden threads. Luckily she'll be back soon to play with them.

[Number23]

88. Have you noticed how much she is discussed, even when she is on time out?

So many of the loons on the other side, I barely notice them when they're posting, let alone when they're gone.

Bravenak goes on time out and she is still ENDLESSLY discussed by the people who hate her the most. One poster is so obsessed with brave I suggested that the only way she could keep closer tabs on her was to use the Hubble Telescope. Talks about her ALL OF THE TIME. Another poster had a 10 year old account with only 100 posts and damn near a third of them were about bravenak.

So it's pretty clear who has the problem here and it ain't b.

[betsuni]

97. The same ones obsessed with Hillary -- hey, she should totally ask bravenak to be her VP!

How convenient. One-stop obsession store, open 24/7.

[JonLeibowitz]

51. Bad hide. We agree on almost nothing (hi bravenak!) except Jill Stein and that was a really bad hide

[MrWendel]

53. Bravenak says HI!

The Neverending Tone Deafness of Bernie Sanders

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/2/25/1491492/-The-Neverending-Tone-Deafness-of-Bernie-Sanders

[Chitown Kev]

56. Yeah, and some of the Bernie folks are piling on there too

Bernie supporters at DK are getting a bit nasty...

[1StrongBlackMan]

74. I don't know if you saw it; but, one of the comments ..

to Bravenak's OP, actually, said: "My first wife is Black and my two children are Black, and I feel I can speak for them (about racial vs economic justice) ..."

Bravenak handled it with her usual aplomb, "I'd rather hear from them"

[ismnotwasm]

58. Yes indeed

Hi back Bravnek!

[kwassa]

90. Thank you for posting this.

I had no idea she was published on DK.

Good for her.

[Cha]

109. Hey Bravenak!

Mahalo MrWendel .. that's for your hide.

[gwheezie]

55. Brave I'm gonna miss ya

Hope you never give up and come back.
My late husband used to insist if only Beyonce could meet him, she'd be his next wife. So it's not entirely a generational thing since he was an old guy.
Beyonce is the target because they hate Obama. Cornell hates Obama. Therefore he must say stupid shit about Beyonce.
Does he want everyone to hate him, not just 75%?
And what Bernie supporter and the Bernie jury members took braves comment as some afront to their fearless leader that was so hateful to force this time out? Wtf is wrong with them? The post was about Cornell fucking West. So now no one can comment on anyone who stands in Bernie's periphery who makes a completely irrelevant comment without getting a hide? No really, wtf is wrong with them.

[sufrommich]

61. Oh look,racist asshole is back.nt

[MrWendel]

62. Not that this comes as a suprise...

but a jury (leaning in a certain direction if I was a betting man) decided to block Bravenak's article. Not surprisingly, they also bravely never said why. Not one.

[betsuni]

63. Was wondering what the reason was. They didn't even try to bullshit it, then.

[seaglass]

68. They tried to hide your link above too.

On Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:16 AM an alert was sent on the following post:

Bravenak says HI!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1187&pid=43000

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

The person got her 5th hide,no need to have surrogates post for her.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Feb 26, 2016, 06:23 AM, and the Jury voted 3-4 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Stop alert stalking. Manny is BANNED and his crap is still posted here, did you alert on that?
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: The post title makes it sound like MrWendel is working with Bravenak get around the 5 hide timeout.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Look, let me be clear, I'm a Sanders supporter, but I find nothing wrong with this post.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: that is no reason for an alert - nor are hurt feelings -

Thank you very much for participating in our Jury system, and we hope you will be able to participate again in the future.

[MrWendel]

75. HIDE THIS...

Nice Try.

[Cha]

108. HAHA they lost! Thank you seaglass!

[Coolest Ranger]

64. By going after my home girl

and hiding us, all you are doing is pushing us more and more towards Hillary. You are not helping your candiate

[Uponthegears]

65. Stand!

It may be all we can do, but it's the LEAST we should do.

[thesquanderer]

71. Agreed. I'm not Bravenak's biggest fan, but those hides were bogus. (n/t)

[Politicalboi]

76. Easy to do here

And I'm sorry if I offended anyone. I spent too much time here, and it gets to me.

[DonCoquixote]

78. GEESH!

Look folks, I was a diehard Bernie fan, until I saw how his fans behaved...Your treatment of bravenak just earned bernie one less florida vote, because frankly, as much as I do hate Hillary, I hate thugs even more. The alert squad on here is starting to act like a Maoist Red Guard.

[shenmue]

85. Ay ay ay

[Number23]

87. I had a psychotic poster tell me point blank that as long as I posted here, he was going to keep

coming after me. This is literally YEARS after I have begged, demanded, pleaded etc. for him to leave me the bleeding fuck alone and have sent damn near every one of his psychotic, pointless and always unprovoked exchanges with me to Skinner and the other admins.

Skinner needs to make up his mind. Does he want a board where female and minority voices are welcome, even if they are not agreed with, or one where white, and mostly male psychotics chase after and run everyone else off this board. He's cracked down a bit lately but there is still a very long way to go before I think most of us will feel like this place is home again.

[Digital Puppy]

102. As my coach used to say...

Skinner needs to make up his mind. Does he want a board where female and minority voices are welcome, even if they are not agreed with, or one where white, and mostly male psychotics chase after and run everyone else off this board.

As my coach used to say...

"Your actions speak so loudly, I can hardly hear your words."

This behavior is tolerated with no signs of corrective actions. They have not shown any empathy nor remorse so I'm not expecting them to have compassion. Unfortunately, it very clear where he stands.

[DonCoquixote]

107. as someone who dislikes Hillary

and was a bernie supporter,I have to agree with you. Totally regardless of whatever Hillary or Bernie are, the idea that we can engage in guerrilla terrorism is disgusting. I hate it when the Hillary folks do it (and some of them do) and I hate it when the Bernie people do it (and some of them do). Sadly, as Mr. Trump shows, the people who yell the loudest get the Mic. Unless we can talk on a common ground, with a certain modicum of respect, there will frankly be nothing worth fighting for, period. That does not mean forced affection, any sport has rules, but the games can break bones. However, not even the NFL or UFC has people that want to kill each other, and for all the pre-fight faux ali bluster, they know that letting the aggression get out of control will kill the game, not help it.

Of course politics is not a sport, but that makes the need for respect and rules even more important, as it won't be the jock on the field that get hurt, but the people in the stands. I do not pretend to know what Skinner thinks; aside from the fact he seems committed to Discussionist, despite the fact that WE put him on the map. However, however the "jury" system was supposed to work, it is clear to everyone that is is being used to cheat. The whole satellite of DU spin off sites, from the one that is very pro hillary to the one that is very Pro bernie, all have people BRAG and PLAN about how to get people hidden here at DU. It is no longer a question of whether Skinner cannot see what is happening, or will not see it, because neither can't do or won't do is acceptable. Even if Skinner were to be honest and say "I did not anticipate things would get this bad, I hear you and am working on plan B, suggestions accepted" , yes, people would yell, but there would be enough of us that would say "Ok, he listened to us and realizes that we need the proverbial "bigger boat" to catch this shark before this site jumps the shark."

Because frankly, a democratic underground, or for that matter, a Democratic party, that does not draw the line at attacking the very underdogs and minorities that we are supposed to respect will lose it's salt. I go back to sports, no one is saying we will not spar in the ring, but if the crowd burns down the arena, then nothing will be gained, save that Trump will put up another condo where our homes were.

[Number23]

116. I think you're right. If Skinner were to come to this forum or one of the Feminist ones and say

exactly what you said, it would go a long way.

Something along the lines of "I have no idea this crap would manifest itself this way but I have heard you and I have read the absolutely ENDLESS articles from women and people of color who have written about being hounded, stalked and harassed online and I want to do something about it." That in and of itself would go a long way. And if he were to actually implement some of the suggestions from women and poc, he would probably have alot more minorities here with donor stars next to their names.

[DonCoquixote]

118. I know for a fact

the reason this Puerto Rican does not have a star behind his name is exactly because I have seen this site let go to weeds, especially as not only is Discussionist better run, but so is (that real hyper Hillary site founded by a disgruntled duer where people brag about shutting down Bernie supporters) and (that real hyper Sanders site founded by a disgruntled duer where people brag about shutting down Hillary Supporters.)

Seriously Skinner, if you want our money, you have to show what you are doing to earn that money, and while we realize you have no magic wand, even acknowledging us instead of whistling past our graveyards would make a difference. It is disgusting that an AA board can regularly be raided and plundered, while other boards are guarded like Manchu Emperors in Forbidden cities.

[Rose Siding]

114. I have not noticed a crack down

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12599606

[Number23]

117. There are unfortunately alot of people that see everyone other than their candidate as the enemy

And then have the nerve to turn around and wonder why they lose every single solitary election and have as much political clout as a bag of hammers.

[Jamaal510]

100. K&R

[redstateblues]

101. What an abuse of power by a certain candidate's supporters

since they took over this site.

[Thinkingabout]

105. Here's to you Bravenak, a mind is a terible thing to waste, thank for sharing your thoughts.

[FrenchieCat]

111. Miss you Bravenak already....

You are such a dear.....

[Gothmog]

115. I miss Bravenak's posts