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[JustAnotherGen]

1. He's right!

Those of us who lost innocents to gang banging crack peddlers -

No one else would help us. He is the only person to stand up for law abiding black Americans who lost in our case - a law school bound young black man to a punk trying to show his gang how tough he was.

It will be 25 years this Wednesday.

Thank you Bill Clinton for not casting away the victims as NHI- as was written on my cousins police report. We didn't see that report until June 2004.

Thank you Bill Clinton. Lots of liberals smirk about "black on black crime"

You actually did something.

To the OP -they were rolling out of their "turf" by the late 80's - they hurt their own. It wasn't innocent white kids buying heroin. It was innocent black people of all ages .

After FDR limited where black people could live - the majority hurt were those in inner cities.

Now can we please do something about M S-13?

[mhatrw]

2. Thanks for your response!

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Thanks for your concern

I now live in a former red lined home - brought to you courtesy of FDR.

[FrenchieCat]

7. Thank you too...

[mhatrw]

8. Everybody seemed to have more money back then.

What happened?

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-apps/imrs.php?src=&w=1484

[FrenchieCat]

9. The election 2000 was stolen

Something about Florida chads and Tweedledum and Tweedledee!

As well, the dot.com era fizzled and Bush wasn't effective at dealing with the economy as a President Al Gore would have been...

THE RISE AND FALL OF URBAN
POVERTY IN THE U.S. 1970 TO 2010
http://class.povertylectures.com/UrbanPoverty2013.pdf

[JustAnotherGen]

25. Another great chart

Keep on shattering the delusions!

[JustAnotherGen]

20. Great charts Frenchie!

[brer cat]

13. OMG...JAG!

I had never heard of the police use of NHI until I googled to see what you were referring to there. THAT was on your cousin's police report when he was killed??? I cannot conceive of how horrible that was for your family to have a loved one literally dehumanized. What is tolerated from our police is appalling.

[steve2470]

34. NHI ? Wow what a horrible acronym

Sorry to hear your family had to endure that!

[JustAnotherGen]

4. Why don't you ever respond to our threads

Where we celebrate our history or how far we've come?



Why don't you start one?


ETA: Penny for your thoughts? http://www.democraticunderground.com/118748295

Reading that might help you understand why this isn't the only issue on black Americans minds. You do know we aren't one trick ponies - right?

[mhatrw]

6. I'm inept at expressing myself.

I try, but I cannot seem to discuss these important issues with the savvy and sensitivity of the Clintons.

[FrenchieCat]

18. The stench of desperation is becoming

stiffling!

[JustAnotherGen]

23. I always challenge you when you disrupt the group with your personal agenda

So here we go -

What is the rate of death among black women when they are diagnosed with breast cancer?

Why does poor white woman get better treatment than the wealthiest black woman?

Our lives don't matter there -now do they?

But I don't hear the socialists whining about that because there is nothing in it for them to care. Right? They only care about their weed and what is in it for them.

So what exactly is in it FOR you to give a shit about what Bill Clinton said?

[FrenchieCat]

5. I thought he did well...

To say this is BLM is a little bit of an assumption. The issue with them is that it is a leaderless organization which has many independent agents doing whatever...which ends up reflecting on the whole message...which ends up not always that great! Due to being independent individuals and splintered groups, they can be easily used by others whose agenda is not theirs, and that may be their biggest downside.

I think the jury will be out for quite some time more as to whether the movement will end up making a positive mark on changing the history of violence against Black people...although it is keeping the conversation going, and that's excellent!

As for Bill Clinton's response, it was the truth as to what happened at the time! Some folks aren't old enough to remember, and some don't want to put it into context, as it isn't what they've read on FB and Twitter from Bernie Supporters!

I noticed that Bill Clinton didn't emphasize that Bernie voted for the same bill! He said "her opponent"...and I think he should have said Bernie's name!

Afterall, It was Bernie who said,
Before voting for that same bill, "It is my firm belief that clearly, there are people in our society who are horribly violent, who are deeply sick and sociopathic, and clearly these people must be put behind bars in order to protect society from them."
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/bernie-sanders-superpredator_us_56bd00b9e4b08ffac124806b

Which was certainly true....

[MrMickeysMom]

10. No one spreads it like Bill

You need wings to stay above it.

[Divernan]

11. So is this group throwing BLM under the bus now?

Really, I'm just trying to keep up.

[FrenchieCat]

14. Is that what it appears like to you...

Or is that what you are wishing for?

Can't help if Bernie supporters did that back in August! How mighty convenient to be in full support of BLM now!

But Two Black people holding signs at a rally aren't automatically doing anything that is BLM....as I mentioned earlier.

I support BLM as a group agitating for themselves and all Black Lives, not for the sake of Bernie Sanders.

Bill Clinton apologized for that crime bill, did Bernie?
http://www.npr.org/2014/09/12/347736999/20-years-later-major-crime-bill-viewed-as-terrible-mistake

[Divernan]

19. This is the AA group, not the HRC group.

So why the hostile attacks on Bernie re BLM (he treated them with respect) and the defense of the Clintons, who have on several occasions had them escorted out of her royal presence.

Should you rename the group "AA for HRC"?

I have actively supported civil rights going back to the 60's and have a much loved AA niece. So do yourself a favor and don't embarrass yourself by making any assumptions about me and whether I support BLM!

[JustAnotherGen]

21. Because we won't be brought to heel by electioneers

Our regular members - not intruders with 4 posts since March 8, 2014 can write whatever they want.

If you have an issue - please reach out to me or any other group hosts.

I will not tolerate bullies telling us what we should name the group.

Truthfully -you have a 'niece' - my mom gave birth to two black children -

And she would never bully black people around and tell us what to do.

Check yourself.

[FrenchieCat]

22. You said...

Star Member Divernan
11. So is this group throwing BLM under the bus now?
Really, I'm just trying to keep up.

What was your point for saying that?
What response were you hoping for?

[Divernan]

24. And You posted:I support BLM as a group agitating for themselves and all Black Lives. . .

If that's the case, then I would expect that you or anyone else who truly supports BLM would not defend Bill or Hillary Clinton when they put down/argue with/have "escorted" out BLM protestors at their events.

I did not post hoping for any particular response, but for some clarification.

Is it a prerequisite for posting in this forum that one be a Hillary Clinton supporter in the primary?

Is it a prerequisite to not question Bill Clinton's treatments of black protestors?

I realize that you are only one of the regular posters here. Do you speak for all of them?

[gollygee]

30. I'm a group host and I voted for Bernie in my primary

So there's no rule about that. There is an understanding here that people who post here be respectful to the people who regularly post here. "I would expect you and anyone else who supports BLM" is not really respectful. People get to decide what they do and whether they "really support" BLM without your permission.

[Divernan]

32. Thank you for your courteous response.

I did not intend to imply that I was giving or withholding permission to anyone with regard to whether or not they support BLM. I really did find this thread confusing. The point of the OP link seems to be to criticize Bill Clinton, but it was "liked" by the person who came to Bill's defense.

There is potential for an inherent conflict when the Black Lives Matter movement/actions overlap with any candidate's campaign speeches/gatherings. I have long made it a point not to post in this group since I really didn't understand why some BLM actions/members were defended here and others were not. I still don't understand that, but I will leave that issue to your regular posters/members here.

Again, I appreciate the civility of your response.

[1StrongBlackMan]

26. I know, huh? ...

How mighty convenient to be in full support of BLM now!

And their "support" has NOTHING to do with BLM.

[giftedgirl77]

15. ....

[FrenchieCat]

16. Well ok then...

So what would you say is the reason for this "amazing" phenomenon? Please clue me in!

[steve2470]

36. Slick Willie = RW and Republican term of abuse

Hmmmmmmmm..............................

[brer cat]

17. It sure is nice of the Bernie supporters

to come here and make sure the black folks understand this.

[Native]

33. You took the words right out of my mouth...

I was thinking exactly what you wrote at exactly one post before I read it! Thank you for this!!!

[YoungDemCA]

27. I, for one, find the insinuation that Black people aren't anti-crime a very racist one

The notion that most Black people in any way are associated - or at the very least, want to be associated - with the gangsters and other criminals is quite offensive and yes, racist. YMMV.

[Quayblue]

31. I agree. Thank you.

I highly respect BLM but perspective is/was needed. I spent a lot of my childhood in the house because of that era. My parents were fearful we could possibly succumb to the bullshit in the streets during the 80s. Their concern was definitely not a political game.

Folks have too much singular vision in regards to those times, especially if they didn't experience it.

[wildeyed]

28. Is he "battling" them,

or answering their questions and concerns? He talked about black lives for the entire time. He may not AGREE with the protesters, but he engages in the debate honestly and lets them set the agenda. He answers their questions, does not attempt to divert or derail. They may not LIKE what he says, but you try to disrupt Bill Clinton's speaking event, you get what you get. He is smart AF, still charismatic, and he is a surrogate, not a candidate, so he can be more aggressive than Hillary or Bernie Sanders. He was ENJOYING that exchange, you can tell.

I dunno, you pick a fight with Bill Clinton, you might be punching outside your weight class. If the protesters paid more attention to what actually happened back in the day, they might know that. Gawd he was brutal when attacked by political opponents. He didn't start the fights, but if you tried to get dirty with him, chances are you would find a horse head in your bed the next day. He never did shy away from conflict.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

29. Why do folks who have never been interested in this forum

Why do folks who have never been interested in the topics discussed in this forum all of a sudden drop in to open a new battle in the Democratic Underground Primary war?

Some of us see this forum as an ersatz refuge.

[steve2470]

35. +10000 nt

[JustAnotherGen]

37. To amuse me?

[bettyellen]

38. HA, I love you JAG!

[betsuni]

39. Heh.

[betsuni]

40. I first saw that as "drop in to open a new bottle."

Many bottles have been opened during The Great DU Primary War, I'm quite sure.

[Chitown Kev]

41. You have a lotta fuckin' nerve

[JustAnotherGen]

42. He does this all the time

I think maybe someone gets elected to drop the big dump in here. It's comical.

[Chitown Kev]

44. I noticed that happenns

whenever something jump offs with the Clintons...but they double-down on the slightest thing that Sanders does and attempt to Bernsplain it.

I wish that the primary was over with (well, the GE, really) so there could be a real discussion of this topic.

[mhatrw]

43. What can I possibly say back to that?

It seems to me that Bill Clinton has a lot more nerve than I do.

I can still get myself in trouble when I try to discuss race. But I have learned much and also how much I still have to learn from reading many posts here, yours in particular.

In fact, you are the one person whose opinion on what Clinton said I would most like to know.

[Chitown Kev]

45. Today's your lucky day.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/04/08/1512261/-Some-thoughts-on-the-Bill-Clinton-BLM-encounter-in-Philadelphia

[mhatrw]

46. Thanks!

reading now

[mhatrw]

47. As always, very insightful and evenhanded.

Believe it or not, I actually wanted to see some truthful analysis. You delivered as always.

Would you recommend I just self-delete this thread?

[Chitown Kev]

48. Yes.