Dear (some of you) White Sanders supporters....stop lecturing Blacks/Latinos who support Hillary

[UMTerp01]

I've had it!!! The comments I saw directed toward Black/Latino voters who supported Hillary Clinton last night over Bernie Sanders were ripe with so much crudeness, privilege, and just downright pissed me off. We do not need to be lectured by you regarding our choice of candidate. We do not need you to tell us what is good for us. What you need to do is point out why Bernie Sanders message is better for Black and Latino Americans if that is what you believe. The absolute wrong thing to do as a White person is to act superior to Blacks and Latinos and imply we are "low information", "voting against our best interest", or whatever little reason you have floating around in your head. It is the wrong way to try and get people on your side for Bernie.

I saw it way too much on twitter and floating around on message boards last night. Then of course some of them want to drag Obama into it and try to get into the psyche of the Black mind about us voting for him because of race and if Bernie were Black then blah blah blah. Hello? Paging President Al Sharpton, President Jesse Jackson, President Alan Keyes, President Herman Cain? BYE FELICIA!! It runs much deeper than just race, and furthermore I am sick to death of even hearing whining about that since before 2008 you've had nothing but 2 White men to vote for in every Presidential general election. And that also goes for 08 Hillary stans who have also made comments like "If Blacks turn on Hillary now after we put our bitterness aside and voted for Obama"....yeah...some of y'all are not off the hook either. So the optics of White Sanders supporters wagging their fingers and being condescending to Black and Latino Hillary supporters and Black and Latino undecideds is NAWT the way to go about stanning for your candidate. Try something different. We feel some type of way when White folks get into that superior mode with us and then it doesn't become about politics. It becomes about checking yo ass wondering who TF do you think you are talking to.

[lovemydog]

1. I couldn't agree more.

I think some of them think they're 'too cool for school.' It's just astounding ignorance and privilege and racism is all it is UMTerp901!

Their abject naivete (and lack of interaction with all different types of people) makes them easily fall prey to right wing slander against Clinton or to try and pretend being above voting. I laugh in their face. I laugh at their phone baloney keyboard warrior stupidity and hostility. I pity that they haven't had the benefits like we have of social interaction with various people. We're the richer for it.

I'd rather be the nerd who others call uncool and actually likes Clinton. I loved her NY victory speech last night. When she introduced the daughter of the principal at Sandy Hook I got choked up because it is real. You'd have to be a jabroni not to know that is some real feeling there. Just like I liked and supported President Obama when the right wing trolls and all those hipster doofuses or cranky hypercritical armchair liberals were trying to tear him down. I had his back. I'm proud of that and it's made me a happier person.

If it's 'uncool' to read history, listen to other voices, realize it takes hard work and a positive attitude to get anything done, then I'll wear that 'uncool' hat proudly! Fuck all of them mofos.

Oh, and get offline and go for a walk and talk with nice people and enjoy animals and have gratitude for sunshine and rain and food and shelter and all the amazing things outdoors. Living well is the best revenge!

[islandmkl]

2. Dear anonymous internet forum poster: stop assuming everything you read and react to

in these forum posts are anything you can verify author-wise...

some people are easy to light up...as your post would reflect in this matter...and there are plenty of trolls and regular assholes who just like to light people up...and it works...

cheap advice: take your own...and don't lecture anybody yourself...

[UMTerp01]

3. Thanks for proving my point

And there it is. Exactly the kind of condescending shit I'm talking about. Instead of actually acknowledging that this exists its just oh stop overreacting its just trolls trying to get under your skin? Exactly the kind of dismissive, devaluing of our opinions that I'm referencing.

[islandmkl]

4. you have just proved your own point...instead of acknowledging that assholes post random

volatile crap on the internet you get somewhat condescendingly offended...

when you get refused service somewhere, when a cop hits you over the head, when you are blinded by teargas and know its sharp flavor, when you are waiting behind bars to get bailed out...then you have been protesting...

the internet is merely commenting and criticizing and complaining...that's why everybody joins in...some to make sense (probably like yourself) and some to stir up shit and make assumptive retorts to people they do not even remotely know or know about...

i don't deny that their is plenty of crap thrown down...but anyone who thinks a forum like DU is truly a SERIOUS conversation is merely enjoying the game and ignoring the facts of the internet...

you would probably be surprised how much i most likely agree with your main focus...but trolling can work, or be perceived to work, both ways on every topic on every forum on every website...

and it's easy to get caught up in it...look at us right here...

:no smilie - that would appear gratuitous...have a good one

[UMTerp01]

5. I'm not even referring to just DU though.

Its everywhere. On twitter, on other social media forums...yes still online and the internet so still trolling but still. When you hear it over and over how much is just "trolling" and how much is what these folk actually believe.

"when you get refused service somewhere, when a cop hits you over the head, when you are blinded by teargas and know its sharp flavor, when you are waiting behind bars to get bailed out...then you have been protesting..."

Can't I be pissed about both? I don't know why people always have to think things are mutually exclusive.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

11. Yeah, it is everywhere but then so is white privilege. Of course your reaction to this is

accurate and important and you are correct that the attitude toward minorities is what it is, make no mistake.

The first person to respond to you tells you that you are imagining things, so to speak.

The fucking irony were it a metal object would put a serious dent in a cement wall.

[brer cat]

7. You are in the AA group

where you do not normally post. Coming into the group to make a condescending post about how the OP should feel or react to comments is arrogant and rude and does indeed make his point. You are sounding very tone deaf...maybe you should hang out and read here instead of posting until you learn more.

[mercuryblues]

9. Not only proved your point

but doubled down on it.

Apparently going into a protected group and spewing shit once wasn't enough.

[JustAnotherGen]

19. Group Host

Knock off the condescension and stop pretending that this arrogance on behalf of a section of Sanders is not real. It extends way beyond DU.

We need to blow off steam about Amerikkka from time to time. Trash the thread or the group but don't come into this house and start throwing out things you don't like when you are a guest.

[msongs]

6. so odd how black voters seemed to figure out registration requirements and all those "independents"

couldn't

[UMTerp01]

8. BLOOP nt

[mcar]

13. +1000

People are getting deprived of their right to vote but Sanders supporters are complaining about an easy and well documented registration process?

[Quayblue]

18. Yet black folks are the low-info voters lulz

[JustAnotherGen]

20. Ahem

[fleabiscuit]

27. I might have to steal that. eom

[brer cat]

10. They even make assumptions about who people are supporting

while telling them how they are wrong. And I don't think it is just about politics at all.

[lib87]

12. Don't Forget False Equivocation!

Claiming 'reverse' sexism and racism when non-whites criticize their motives and opinions because you know, they suffer too.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

14. Yup.

[forjusticethunders]

33. white dudes are the most oppressed group obviously

/s just in case

[MisterP]

15. find a candidate who hasn't destroyed and exploited African America from every angle and cheered

sending back Central American 10-year-olds fleeing the narco regime she greenlit and it'll probably stop

[JustAnotherGen]

22. No

That's not going to work.

[sulphurdunn]

16. Okay.

"What you need to do is point out why Bernie Sanders message is better for Black and Latino Americans if that is what you believe."

I hear you. How's this? Bernie Sanders is better for Black and Latino Americans than the Queen of Wall Street, where, by the way, there are few Black and Latino Americans.

[JustAnotherGen]

21. She's a queen?

I knew there was a reason why I liked her!

[sulphurdunn]

24. Then get down

on your knees and prepare to cast your vote.

[JustAnotherGen]

26. Ha!

I'd be happy to cast a vote for Clinton! She's one of the good guys.

You prepare the machete to chop off my head if Trump Becomes President. He speaks the language of the Hutu and of course you will have to participate to save yourself. Save yourself!

He no likey us brown folk of all shades and if it makes him look better to his supporters then he will order it.

[lovemydog]

28. Haha!

[JustAnotherGen]

30. Well

I truly believe that's what his supporters want.

And -

See Number23's question below. I've got a feeling I know where she's going with that.

[lovemydog]

31. I like your perspective

and that of n23.

I thought that poster was demanding that we blow him.

[JustAnotherGen]

34. He forgot

We haven't had to bend down since 1965. So he can chop off my head if he likes. I don't care. I won't lick heels.

[Number23]

29. Are you black and/or Hispanic?

[SusanCalvin]

17. Excellent rant, thank you. nt

[JustAnotherGen]

23. Great post!

[ismnotwasm]

25. K&R

[forjusticethunders]

32. Probably the biggest factor

In me changing my vote to Hillary (I actually voted for her yesterday) was how fucking condescending the whole "Revolution" was.

I'm not low information and I'm not the Confederacy, thank you very much. But nah, it never could be an issue with messaging or outreach or trust, gotta blame black people.