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sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:47 PM May 2016

West Point Cadets' Raised-Fists Photo Sparks Investigation

A photo showing 16 African-American female cadets raising clenched fists has sparked controversy at West Point’s elite military academy.

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The raised fist, which has long been a symbol of unity for African Americans, is also associated with the Black Lives Matter movement.

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Defending the young cadets is Brenda Sue Fulton, a 1980 West Point graduate, former Army captain, and chairwoman of the U.S. Military Academy’s Board of Visitors.

“When I spent time with these cadets and heard them tell their stories and laugh and joke with each other, there’s no doubt in my mind how much they love West Point, they love the Army and they support each other,” Fulton told the Army Times.

She tweeted out a different photo of the women without raised fists with the caption, “THIS. Fearless, flawless, fierce. Ready.” That tweet was then retweeted by Patrick Murphy, acting secretary of the U.S. Army.


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“I would not have re-tweeted the raised-fist photo because I am well aware that our culture views a black fist very differently from a white fist,” she said. “I knew it was their expression of pride and unity, but I am old enough to know that it would be interpreted negatively by many white observers. Unfortunately, in their youth and exuberance, it appears they didn’t stop to think that it might have any political context, or any meaning other than their own feeling of triumph.”


Read More: http://abcnews.go.com/US/west-point-cadets-raised-fists-photo-sparks-investigation/story?id=38979948

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West Point Cadets' Raised-Fists Photo Sparks Investigation (Original Post) sheshe2 May 2016 OP
I love BOTH pictures Number23 May 2016 #1
I do too. sheshe2 May 2016 #3
Women have been raising their fists their entire life. sheshe2 May 2016 #19
I think the Angry White Guys who tried to make something out of this will be disappointed. MADem May 2016 #2
Hey MADem. sheshe2 May 2016 #6
STRIKINGLY powerful pictures , both. pkdu May 2016 #4
These are the best of the best, they're our future and our future leaders. Both of those picture ... marble falls May 2016 #5
Ancient symbols can be scary. Like Anat, war goddess. littlemissmartypants May 2016 #7
You are back! sheshe2 May 2016 #8
You're welcome! Thank you! littlemissmartypants May 2016 #13
Bloody... sheshe2 May 2016 #16
. littlemissmartypants Jun 2016 #34
Somehow, I feel like I'm looking back at these photos from some time in the future. NBachers May 2016 #9
NBachers! sheshe2 May 2016 #11
Thanks, Sheshe2! I'm glad we're bumping into each other again. Let's make it a habit. NBachers May 2016 #14
Ha! sheshe2 May 2016 #24
I think both photos are fine. Solly Mack May 2016 #10
"I see women taking pride in themselves." sheshe2 May 2016 #12
And that is the part that angers some people - Black women celebrating themselves. Solly Mack May 2016 #15
"Black women celebrating themselves" brer cat May 2016 #20
Exactly. Haters are the problem. It's just so simple, really. Solly Mack May 2016 #25
What a dumb, dumb, dumb thing to get upset over. raven mad May 2016 #17
Love, love that pic! FrenchieCat May 2016 #18
Strong, courageous women who met the dragon and slayed it. brer cat May 2016 #21
Powerful photos. And they seem classic, timeless. KittyWampus May 2016 #22
Oh no, it's never done at West Point! Kind of Blue May 2016 #23
Yeah but that's just 7 examples underpants May 2016 #26
I know, right? I didn't think Kind of Blue May 2016 #32
Wow DustyJoe May 2016 #29
Lol sheshe2 May 2016 #31
It so disheartening to put the girls Kind of Blue May 2016 #33
Love these two pics! They are awesome! Ilsa May 2016 #27
sheshe2 thanks for the pics! Iliyah May 2016 #28
Thanks Iliyah... sheshe2 May 2016 #30
There are many photos of white male cadets raising their fist in pictures but no investigations uponit7771 Jun 2016 #35

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
19. Women have been raising their fists their entire life.
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:34 AM
May 2016

Solid-fucking-darity!

When we walked for our vote. When we walked for our freedoms. We asked for equality. When we asked for the rights over or bodies.

Our Bodies Ourselves. Us.

Number23, I am a privileged white female. I have it bad, you have it worse. I guess we just have to do this together. Sisters.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
2. I think the Angry White Guys who tried to make something out of this will be disappointed.
Mon May 9, 2016, 09:56 PM
May 2016
That tweet was then retweeted by Patrick Murphy, acting secretary of the U.S. Army.


Right on to former Army Capt. Fulton--she is one of the "grounded in reality" voices re: this non-issue.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
6. Hey MADem.
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:03 PM
May 2016

Angry White Guys are always disappointed.

Thank you Patrick Murphy and Capt. Fulton, agree these young ladies are awesome. It was only an issue because their fists were black.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
5. These are the best of the best, they're our future and our future leaders. Both of those picture ...
Mon May 9, 2016, 10:01 PM
May 2016

are fine by me. I'm glad they're where they are, doing wonderfully well. G*d bless them all!

littlemissmartypants

(22,655 posts)
7. Ancient symbols can be scary. Like Anat, war goddess.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:09 AM
May 2016

Reasons education is a good idea.

Congratulations to them for the outstanding achievement! They are lady rock stars, imo.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anat


NBachers

(17,108 posts)
9. Somehow, I feel like I'm looking back at these photos from some time in the future.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:34 AM
May 2016

Fierce
Courageous
Warriors
Leaders

This is our history. It's happening now.

sheshe2

(83,751 posts)
11. NBachers!
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:48 AM
May 2016

Hey.

The images. So powerful.

Under investigation my ass. Their fist is black and it is down right beautiful.



If it was white boys doing it, then it would be applauded. Black girls? No.

I like your post...

Fierce
Courageous
Warriors
Leaders

This is our history. It's happening now.


Luv ya.

Solly Mack

(90,764 posts)
10. I think both photos are fine.
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:46 AM
May 2016

And I am well aware of DA rules on the wearing of uniforms and political statements.

I don't see either photo as a political statement. I see women taking pride in themselves.

Solly Mack

(90,764 posts)
15. And that is the part that angers some people - Black women celebrating themselves.
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:04 AM
May 2016

The first time I saw the photo it made me smile. It's a great photo and one they will cherish for years to come. Their own future daughters and sons will take pride in that photo.

To think how far women have come. To think how far black women have come. (and overcame)

Ugly-minded people needing to tarnish everything with their hate. I will never understand why people waste so much energy hating. It's pointless and serves no good purpose. It's an emotional investment that just doesn't make sense. But then I guess haters wouldn't be haters if they understood that.



brer cat

(24,562 posts)
20. "Black women celebrating themselves"
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:17 AM
May 2016

That is the problem right there. How dare they!!! These women are among the very, very few to ever have this opportunity much less complete the rigorous program. A moment of celebration, of shared unity in their accomplishment, is not only appropriate and expected, it is respectful of the institution itself: their pride, confidence, and fearless resolve is what West Point is supposed to produce. As sheshe said, the only thing "wrong" with that picture is that the fists were black; no one would have noticed if the fists were white.

Haters got to hate, but they are the problem, not these women.

Good to see you Solly...I hope you are continuing to do well!

Solly Mack

(90,764 posts)
25. Exactly. Haters are the problem. It's just so simple, really.
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:23 PM
May 2016

Those engaged actions or words driven by prejudice are the problem and never their targets. But so many people try to justify hate by trying to blame the victims of hate. As if they caused their own attacks simply by being, by existing, as who they are.

As if being black, or a woman, or gay means you have to take responsibility for being attacked by those who hate because your very existence has offended their sensibilities.

President Obama, for example. That he was elected set off a deluge of racist rancor and vitriol from haters and not only do they attack him, they feel he deserves those attacks - simply for being a black man who became President.

Thanks, brer cat!

:hugs:

raven mad

(4,940 posts)
17. What a dumb, dumb, dumb thing to get upset over.
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:14 AM
May 2016

Yes I watched "those" Olympics live and this little ole white chick was jumping up and down happy and said '"FINALLY!!!" (So did my mom and dad. First year for me in Alaska, 1968 didn't scare me, it encouraged me.

I think these women are awesome.

brer cat

(24,562 posts)
21. Strong, courageous women who met the dragon and slayed it.
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:21 AM
May 2016

They should be allowed to celebrate this moment, not regret it because of a few haters.

Thanks for the thread, sheshe.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
23. Oh no, it's never done at West Point!
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:11 AM
May 2016

And I didn't even bother with the tons of the graduation photos

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West Point cadets dance to music and cheer on the men's basketball team as they take the court against the U.S. Naval Academy in Christl Arena at the US ...











DustyJoe

(849 posts)
29. Wow
Tue May 10, 2016, 02:39 PM
May 2016

The reactions from some would have you think these young ladies with the moxie to complete military training were doing a nazi salute or something.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
33. It so disheartening to put the girls
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:18 PM
May 2016

thru what's clearly just about part of every culture's celebratory gesture of achievement, victory and solidarity. I'm just glad it's over for them!
"Black West Point cadets will not be punished for raised-fists photo"
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118750892

uponit7771

(90,335 posts)
35. There are many photos of white male cadets raising their fist in pictures but no investigations
Tue Jun 7, 2016, 06:04 AM
Jun 2016

... the person who brought this up as an issues should be court marshaled

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