Compare and Contrast: Two race-related threads

[noiretextatique]

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x572054

Remember when Cosby made his comments about the "lower classes?" See how many people agreed with him in the thread above.

Compare to this thread in GD today

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024531063

Comments?

[JustAnotherGen]

1. The reality we face

If you are black, asian, hispanic, latino, female, spiritual/religious - everything in the world is your fault. You are also wrong, a hater, and have your boots on the neck of white men everywhere.

If you are a white male - you are victim of everyone and everything and you are never wrong, never capable of evil, and history is now erased and you get a do over on reality.


I don't have to add the do I? Assholes to the left of me, assholes to the right - here I am stuck in the middle with you!


Now watch - black women writes 'asshole' I'm gonna get alerted and hidden! Enjoy it while you can!

[noiretextatique]

2. wow...before i could even respond

i see this is GD. it perfectly illustrates your point...and mine.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1014733706

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Didja see my response?

Betcha that gets pushback!

[noiretextatique]

6. it sure will

i cannot even comment in that thread because i know it would be a big fight

[freshwest]

25. OMG. Fired? What, no jail space for this waste of protoplasm?

As awful as this is, more of this needs to come out. A lot more. And real history of this nation. People need to understand what has been done here, and not a load of lies like that GOPher said about how blacks enjoyed being slaves.

In a post I made a while back, about my 400 years of history (although I know a thousand years, one name after another) I said the differences...

What I did not go into (as I got derailed by a troll, and was helped by JAG, but really, the willful ignorance is galling most days) was the psychic nightmare that truth entails.

Just one example:

My people were not stripped naked in public, treated like livestock (I won't get any more graphic, it's not like blacks don't know this history) and no one who has not got that in their past, has a damn thing to say to blacks about their views on this country.

What has been, is and could be is going to be up to those are aware and able to create a future. People who don't get it need to grasp the pain, feel it, and be transformed. Or be part of the past. So many try to drag us back to the past as if it was all golden and great...

Bullshit.

[JustAnotherGen]

4. And on this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4536713

I totally let my assery run its course!

Warren Stupidity is one hell of a good egg but he took a beating on that one. So to prove the opposition's point . . .

[noiretextatique]

9. all i can tell them is

be glad you aren't black or female or gay. if they are that thin-skinned about being a member of the most privileged group in modern history, they could never handle being black, gay or female.

[Number23]

5. What else can be said? The mask slips further and further off this crazy assed place every day

Lots of folks around here, many of whom just absolutely ADORE the opportunity to pat themselves on the back every chance they get with how "wordly," "liberal" and "tolerant" they are, are every bit as stupid, ignorant, privileged and intolerant as their Tea Bagging cousins.

The ONLY good thing out of all of this is that alot of folks around here are starting to see that soooo many of the "liberaler than thou" crowd have plastered those "liberal bona fides" all over themselves to cover up some very NON-progressive NON-liberal practices and thoughts. When the owner of the biggest fan base here talks OPENLY about being a "former" Republican, makes fried chicken/watermelon jokes, and says that out of every election from the last 100 years the one he'd like to see overturned is the 2008 showdown between Obama and McCain, then this place doesn't have a "liberal" leg to stand on and needs to stop pretending that it does.

[noiretextatique]

7. the real liberals here have consistently liberal positions

but there are a lot of fakes who like to stir up trouble...purposely. then there are a lot of people who are clueless, who are probably liberal on economic issues, but not so much on social issues, except perhaps abortion and drugs.

[Number23]

10. Well, alot of folks here just LOVE claiming that they are "real liberals"

and most of them I wouldn't let watch my goldfish while I checked the mail let alone be in charge of my country.

[noiretextatique]

17. the ones who loudly proclaim it

probably aren't.

[JustAnotherGen]

18. I got another approach on this thing

Number23 . . .

Since they are 'real liberals' and I'm 'not' - I'm just going to throw in a healthy dose of cynicism to shake this place up too.

[M0rpheus]

19. Uh oh!

[JustAnotherGen]

20. Look

They don't want us anymore. :lmao: I'm just going to point it out to them when I can.

And in the natural? I'm kind of a cynical asshole.

[M0rpheus]

21. I'm all in for that!

I've got my popcorn ready!

[Number23]

22. Girl, don't you know? Only "they" (the ubiquitous THEY) are real liberals and only THEY know who

their fellow brethren are.

And it appears that the sole criteria to being a "real" liberal (at least on DU) is supporting politicians that got slightly more votes than David Duke would get running for dog catcher in Detroit. God, it is so easy to be strident, loud and shrill when you don't have to actually DO any damn thing.

If these folks were half as good at CONSENSUS BUILDING as they are at finger-wagging, carping, complaining and alienating, they might actually be able to get shit done instead of fanning the players on the field while they perpetually sit on the sidelines. But the recent weeks and the really blatant attempts at alienating women and people of color show that these folks have learned nothing and probably never will.

[noiretextatique]

23. I believe real liberals have consistently liberal values

That are consistently reflected in their posts. There are BOG people, for example, who defend the indefendisble...I do not consider them liberal. I have been here since 2001, and I know there are many allies here. Not all of them are BOG people, and since I am not either, I am fine with constructive criticism...no one should be above that. What I see happening is an over-defense because of truly
unfair and racist criticism. I have to ask myself: who benefits from that? I cannot support the pipeline or fracking or more fucked up trade deals. Since the Obama administration supports all of the above, I have some issues with it. That doesn't make me any different than I was when Bush was in office. If Bush was president, I would still oppose those issues. I know there are people here who feel the sane way.

[1StrongBlackMan]

27. See that's the problem ...

the ubiquitous THEY (I love that label) are doing exactly what they are intending to do ... being strident, loud and shrill, finger-wagging, carping, complaining and alienating because it is the only way they know to engage those that are doing something ... kind of like the grade school boy that teases the object of his affection because he knows no other way to engage her/him.

[JustAnotherGen]

8. I'm starting to view it as comedy

They make me laugh sometimes. Out loud.

Bravenak inspires me to "act new". :lmao:

And I did not know that poster used to be a Republican! First opportunity I get I'm going to ask him. I'm feeling out of touch with my inner imp lately!

[Number23]

11. When you ask him, be sure to let me know. That I gotta see

Though I have to admit that the impenetrable force of fawning adoration that has always surrounded that one seems to be falling off bit by bit too.

Check out this post from msanthrope http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4527312

Sounds like a plan, don't it??

[JustAnotherGen]

12. Oh lord! Mg insanity!

I left that party waaaay too early. Gonna throw this one in my journal! That way I can find it by subject line! I've got to pm a few ladies your link.

[JustAnotherGen]

14. Mocking AAs

Adding this to my journal too . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4521024

[JI7]

13. the chicken and watermelon thing reminded me of republicans who do the affirmative action bake sales

and charge different amounts to different races trying to make some point.

but actually the chicken/watermelon thing was more offensive as it has nothing to do with a policy or issue but only about demeaning and dehumanizing a people based on race.

in the case of the affirmative action bake sales as stupid and ignorant as they are they are it's still about a policy or issue.

[JustAnotherGen]

15. But that guy

Will never see it that way . . . He was all: Oh innocence! I would neveeeeer do that. Don't be so sensitive. No offense.






At least Archie Bunker was honest!

[JI7]

16. yes

the whole "who ? me ? " thing.

[freshwest]

26. Thanks for that analysis and the message. That was a classic victim thread. Betting some of them

will go off in a huff and vote for Ron (er, Rand) Paul now. I am honestly trying to laugh, but it's not that easy.

[Blue_Tires]

24. LOL Freddie Stubbs...I'd forgotten he was still around...