Post removed

[elleng]

1. Not at all wrong, Terp.

[UMTerp01]

2. THANK YOU!!

I'm a diehard Democrat. Vote straight Democrat ticket always. Vote in mid terms, special elections, Presidential elections. Don't tell me I don't support Democrats and that any bit of critique is seen as such. I thought that kind of foolishness was reserved for the Fox News crowd.

[elleng]

4. Foolish indeed,

disserves EVERYONE, helps NONE.

[uppityperson]

3. There are some truths in his rants, but so much nasty crap outweighs them.

I hope things can be more openly discussed after the election.

[UMTerp01]

8. Right. I'm not going to switch my allegiance because he made 1 statement I kind of agree with

The man said one thing for which I'm kinda like "ok he has kind of a point there". Doesn't negate the 99.99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999% of the other crap I disagree with him on.

[brush]

5. Didn't you get another post hidden on this?

[still_one]

6. It probably was hidden because you were advocating for a third party

"I wish there was a truly powerful third party that Blacks could get behind that had the power to push through policies that helped reverse poor outcomes in the SES indicators in the Black community."

Also, you didn't pose it as a question in your previous post, but as a statement, implying a fact, which it is not.

"Trump is not entirely wrong about Democratic Party and the Black vote"

You indicate you want an open discussion where the Democratic party has failed African Americans, and that is fine and good, but when you start advocating that Trump is right about the Democratic Party, and you wish there was a viable third party that African Americans could get behind, are you really surprised that it got hidden?

[UMTerp01]

9. Yeah I am surprised because I thought people were smarter than that

I mean if you can't parse words and compartmentalize what the heck I was saying then my suggestion is that you have issues with comprehension. I took one comment about one aspect of the Democratic Party. That doesn't mean I was saying he was right about the party as a whole. Like any organization, it has its flaws and as a Black person I should be able to speak on that since my job is dealing with those issues he was talking about. We can't blame Republican mayors and governor's for failures in their states and cities and then turn a blind eye when the issue happens in cities run by Democratic mayors. Sorry. I don't play the turn the blind eye game and not allow myself to be completely objective. I expect people to call me out on my flaws and its no different for people and parties I vote for. I'm not the one!!

[stopbush]

10. It's your job as a writer to write clearly.

Don't blame others for your shortcomings.

[UMTerp01]

12. Where was I unclear?

I'm on a website that is called Democratic Underground. If you look at my post history you see I fully support Hillary Clinton. Can we not take the entirety of one's post history and make assumptions about their allegiance to the Democratic Party. I take the entirety of Donald Trump's comments to know that he has no interest in Black well being. But I can take part of his screwed up message and say "well hmmm ok...not totally disagreeing with him there". That doesn't mean I don't see his true colors and knows who he is. I mean what level of grade school writing do I need to take it down to to "write clearly"???

[stopbush]

16. See Still One's post #6.

They explain it clearly.

[UMTerp01]

21. Ok I will take that. My original post did break specific rules

My error in that was advocating for a third party. I will take THAT part of it but none of my comments on Trump. I think I explained my thoughts regarding his statements, but his overall being the wrong messenger in clear terms.

[still_one]

18. Let's go right to your point, because I think your reasoning is somewhat myopic. In

other words, you may be missing the forest for the trees.
Progress was made in regard to civil rights during the 50's, 60's, and 70's. This was made possible by a lot of Americans from all demographics, but especially African Americans who brought it to the public's attention. The political force that made the civil rights act a reality in the sixties happened to be a Democratic President.

In issues regarding social security, health care, civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, income inequality, the environment, etc, it was the Democratic party that for the most part took up those causes.

Unfortunately, much of the progress that had been made, is now being undone, and yes both parties are culpable for that, but so is the public. Elections have consequences. Probably the most significant reason for the undoing of these hard fought rights in the 50s, 60s, and 70s, has been the result of the decisions coming out of the Supreme Court.

[UMTerp01]

24. Ok good points there. I appreciate that.

And see thats all I wanted. An open discussion on the subject. Of course the Democratic Party is the better option for us but like Jesse Williams said....we want freedom now. We're not trying to wait for eternal paradise (if you even believe in that and I don't) on the other side. We want it now. I speak on this from a place of privilege as well. For every one of those SES indicators, I am way above where the average Black person is. Education, income, housing, health. I've been fortunate to be born to educated parents and have a graduate school degree and have a career that affords me an income well above the median salary, but I want to hear more than pandering for these issues during campaigns and I want to see action. And yes, people who don't vote during midterms contribute to this issue.

[still_one]

29. You're right, the pandering that goes on just to get elected, and then too often those

promises seem to get lost.

[Jarqui]

7. Having been around in the MLK days, a student supporter,

we used to say "the conditions and oppression of blacks" was "a national disgrace".

Civil rights laws got changed and some things maybe improved.

Not long ago, we even elected a black man president. To me, as fine or the finest man America has ever elected to that office. But congress is so racist, they put bigotry ahead of country and obstruct him and treat him with more disrespect than I've ever seen of a US president in my lifetime.

Police forces seem to be gunning down unarmed blacks at record rates.

More than fifty years later, I must still conclude that the conditions and oppression of blacks continues to be a national disgrace.

It's brutal and sickening. For all the wonderful words in it's declaration and constitution, the country should be deeply embarrassed that the whole world sees it's not living up to those words.

The country is to blame - not just one person or one party. We have all the words we need. As a society, we need to find the will and the decency to see it through.

[orwell]

11. +++1000!

[UMTerp01]

14. Thats true. Definitely not JUST the Democratic Party

But lets not act as if there isn't some accountability for them as well. It is still a national disgrace and this is why I hope Trump gets destroyed in November and we take back the House and Senate and begin to take back state houses to affect real change. Federal government can only do so much. Many things are the result of state policies and too many of them are run by Republicans right now. Has to change.

[Jarqui]

23. In my lifetime, the Dems have always been more sympathetic to

the cause of racial inequality, etc. Always. The Kennedys and MLK were a big deal for me in the 60s .. and key to getting me to embrace their platform or concepts for life. For a long time, I tried to be open as an independent - thinking that was the best way to be but when push came to shove, the Dems were always home - every time.

Kennedys-Johnson-MLK got the civil rights done and the GOP have seemed against it or racist ever since to me. So I think it's fair to pin more blame on them as they have blocked efforts by the Dems to improve the situation.

Fifty years ago, one might have said to themselves like I did "ok now, we've got it. We understand all these things that were wrong in treatment of minorities - particularly blacks. Now, we can move on with these new rights and understanding and everything will be ok".

When that didn't happen, I thought, "maybe it's a generation thing and older folks just can't give it up" .. but there has been a lot of generations come and go over those 50 years and we still have a nasty problem. So that's not it entirely either.

I don't care too much about the past - it's history. It's what we can do now to affect lives going forward that has value. "We" - not just the GOP - have to solve that problem.

That might be a by-product of what Trump is doing to the GOP right now. If the Dems can take back the Senate & House in a landslide, Dem judges will be in place and some legislation will get done.

As the demographics shift, this problem is going to get diluted so there is some relief in sight. The GOP cannot continue to exist on the platform they have.

[brush]

17. This site's purpose is to help get Democrats elected, not to advocate for a third party

That's pretty well known here.

[Jarqui]

26. As you seem to be responding to my post, I did not see

anywhere where I've advocated for a third party.

Let's say for simple discussion purposes, the population is made up of 30% Dem, 30% GOP, 40% Independent. If the 30% who are GOP are racists like we see today, then we're still going to have a problem no matter who is in power. If those racists are cops with guns shooting unarmed blacks in the back in our streets or if those racists are managers denying jobs or promotions or equal pay to minorities, etc, we're still going to have a problem. That's what I mean behind "we". Nothing to do with electing a 3rd party.

As long as there are difference races, we're going to have some level of problem with this - I get that. I'm just not convinced we've done as well as we can do with the present results I see. From where I sit, there remains a lot of room for improvement - and not just from one party.

[brush]

30. Sorry, I thought I was responding to the OP.

[still_one]

20. Absolutely. Elections have consequences. The supreme court has done significant damage

to civil rights, and a whole host of issues that a lot of people fought for, that are now been undone.

[UMTerp01]

15. NOTHING!!!!!

The Repubs haven't done a THING!!! I said that in my original post; that Donald Trump was the wrong messenger and that Republican policies would make it WORSE for Blacks.

[catbyte]

19. Please, it's the DEMOCRATIC party, not Democrat party. That is an insult that Republican cretins

spew, and it's one of my pet peeves.

Thank you.

[UMTerp01]

22. Sorry. Fixed nt

[Reece2076]

25. As an Arican American..

I disagree. As you stated the democratic party has done more and will try to do more for African Americans than republicans would. With that said African Americans have to take personal responsibility for their own success. It's up to parents to make sure their kids do well in school and go to college, join the military , or learn some trade to support themselves.

I don't buy the republican talking point that welfare is what is keeping the black community down. That's what they mean when they blame the democrats for problems in the black community. It is true that some become dependent on welfare, but I think it starts with encouraging kids to do well in school. Eventually black kids who do well in school will want more out of life than to just receive welfare and live government housing.

[UMTerp01]

27. How can you take personal responsibility living in poverty

You can tell a child to do as well as he wants to in school but if he doesn't have food it doesn't matter. Melissa Harris Perry (whom I miss so much on MSNBC) pointed out something great on one of her MSNBC promos. We always talk about kids doing well in schools and oh just study hard and do well in school but we can't begin to tackle the issue of kids failing in education when they do not have enough food to eat. When they don't have good nutrition and food to eat it doesn't matter. So I see what you are saying but there are many layers under that which are out of the control of Black children and their parents that make that desire for their kids to do well in school very difficult.

[Reece2076]

31. Thanks to democrat polices

Kids can receive a free or reduced breakfast and lunch at school. If their mother is in poverty she receives food stamps to buy food for her kid. Is there something I'm missing. How are kids going to school hungry still?

I understand there are some areas under republican control, where they cut funding for such programs in public schools. But as far as I know this is unheard of under democratic administrations. I'm from California so maybe things are different here.

[gwheezie]

28. I have said this several times

The more recent democratic party has made the country move forward a few feet, where as the recent gop party has tried to drag us back a mile. But the only reason there has been any change is because black folks have died and shamed the country into doing something. The dem party responded more progressively.
My thoughts on the social programs that were put in place have been woefully unhelpful frequently.white people have spent all these decades avoiding reparations and look at the cost. Black Americans were not granted the benefit of the full citizenship that whites have experienced. This is still in effect and most of what white America has tried to do to correct this has not worked out real well for black america.
I'm an old white woman, voting 3rd party is not an option for me because out of all the people who are on the ballot, Hillary is my 1st and best choice. I was never a Bernie supporter but I would have happily voted for him if he had been nominated but I don't think he would have been able to radically change black lives. But I see hope in the future that started with actually electing Obama. This country is going to have a white minority pretty soon, change is coming.

[LenaBaby61]

32. The thing is OP....

Is what the HELL is tRump and the Rethugs going to do for African-Americans?

They always try to lay a guilt trip on Democrats, and although Lord knows the Dems have fallen down and taken a long time to get up where it concerned African-Americans at times, again I ask as you have:

WHAT HAS THE GOP DONE FOR AFRICAN-AMERICANS LATELY?

[MrScorpio]

33. What we have here from Trump, is pure desperation

Black voters aren't going to fall for his nonsense.

[JI7]

34. isn't Baltimore one of the areas AA do better in ?

Compared to other parts of the country ?

[JI7]

35. yes. trump is wrong and a bigot .

[Coolest Ranger]

36. Really

So you just decided to come to the African American group to post this. God I hate stuff like this

[auntpurl]

37. This post now breaks the rule about meta. nt