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Eugene

(61,964 posts)
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 08:48 PM Jan 2023

Abby Zwerner: Six-year-old who shot his teacher used mother's gun

Source: BBC

Abby Zwerner: Six-year-old who shot his teacher used mother's gun

9 January 2023

A six-year-old child used his mother's legally purchased handgun to shoot his teacher at a US school, police say.

In a news conference on Monday, police in Virginia said the child brought the pistol to school in his backpack.

The child intentionally shot his teacher, Abigail 'Abby' Zwerner, during class on Friday. Police say she managed to escort her students to safety before calling for help for herself.

Ms Zwerner, 25, remains in hospital in a stable condition.

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Read more: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-64210387

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Reported earlier:

Newport News boy ‘in shock’ after witnessing classmate shoot teacher (Washington Post)

The first-grade class at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News was in a small reading group about to go to art when one of their classmates pulled a handgun from his backpack and pointed it at his teacher, according to Brittaney Gregory, whose son was in the class. “She was going to confiscate it, and that’s when he shot,” she said.


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Abby Zwerner: Six-year-old who shot his teacher used mother's gun (Original Post) Eugene Jan 2023 OP
A mother who shall not be named. Sneederbunk Jan 2023 #1
She'll be named if/when she's charged. Ocelot II Jan 2023 #3
She Won't Be Charged SoCalDavidS Jan 2023 #6
Actually, Virginia does have a law re: unsecured firearms. Ocelot II Jan 2023 #9
What charges will be filled against the mother for not securing a firearm? Arkansas Granny Jan 2023 #2
Well, let's start with child endangerment ... VMA131Marine Jan 2023 #4
No Charges SoCalDavidS Jan 2023 #7
See Post #9. Not securing a firearm re: kids under 14 *is* illegal. Ocelot II Jan 2023 #10
OK, Thanks For The Information SoCalDavidS Jan 2023 #11
the wording (as I read it) doesn't reassure stopdiggin Jan 2023 #13
Can a six-year-old load a 9mm handgun? Ocelot II Jan 2023 #14
I thought about that too stopdiggin Jan 2023 #15
Lock her up! Lunabell Jan 2023 #5
Sorry, But I Wouldn't Count On It nt SoCalDavidS Jan 2023 #8
Are there grounds for a civil case? Arkansas Granny Jan 2023 #12

Ocelot II

(115,887 posts)
3. She'll be named if/when she's charged.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 09:14 PM
Jan 2023

Most media outlets have a policy of not naming people who are being investigated for a crime but haven't been charged yet.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
6. She Won't Be Charged
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 09:31 PM
Jan 2023

Virginia has some of the most lax gun laws. They do not require the securing of a firearm.

I have no doubt whatsoever that there will be no consequences in this matter.

We should be thankful that the teacher survived. The result would have been exactly the same if she had died.

Ocelot II

(115,887 posts)
9. Actually, Virginia does have a law re: unsecured firearms.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 09:36 PM
Jan 2023

§ 18.2-56.2. Allowing access to firearms by children; penalty.
A. It shall be unlawful for any person to recklessly leave a loaded, unsecured firearm in such a manner as to endanger the life or limb of any child under the age of fourteen. Any person violating the provisions of this subsection shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor.

B. It shall be unlawful for any person knowingly to authorize a child under the age of twelve to use a firearm except when the child is under the supervision of an adult. Any person violating this subsection shall be guilty of a Class 1 misdemeanor. For purposes of this subsection, "adult" shall mean a parent, guardian, person standing in loco parentis to the child or a person twenty-one years or over who has the permission of the parent, guardian, or person standing in loco parentis to supervise the child in the use of a firearm. https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter4/section18.2-56.2/

Unfortunately it's only a misdemeanor.

§ 18.2-11. Punishment for conviction of misdemeanor.
The authorized punishments for conviction of a misdemeanor are:

(a) For Class 1 misdemeanors, confinement in jail for not more than twelve months and a fine of not more than $2,500, either or both. https://law.lis.virginia.gov/vacode/title18.2/chapter1/section18.2-11/

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
7. No Charges
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 09:32 PM
Jan 2023

Virginia has some of the least restrictive gun laws in the nation. No securing of a firearm is required.

At worst, they'll confiscate her weapon, but she can probably go right back out and buy a new one should that occur.

Ocelot II

(115,887 posts)
10. See Post #9. Not securing a firearm re: kids under 14 *is* illegal.
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 09:38 PM
Jan 2023

It's a class 1 misdemeanor, up to 1 year in jail/$2500 fine.

SoCalDavidS

(9,998 posts)
11. OK, Thanks For The Information
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 09:47 PM
Jan 2023

I'll still be surprised if the parent is charged. But we'll see.

As you pointed out, it's a misdemeanor, so even if they are, jail time seems doubtful.

This won't be the last time something like this happens in America. Land of the gun.

stopdiggin

(11,384 posts)
13. the wording (as I read it) doesn't reassure
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 10:37 PM
Jan 2023

"unlawful for any person to recklessly leave a loaded, unsecured firearm .. "

So -- an 'unloaded weapon' could apparently be left on the kitchen counter - or in the sock drawer? And ammo nestled neatly in beside? And -- does 'secured' mean actually locked away in a gun cabinet? Or could that possibly mean on a shelf that is (purportedly) too high for the child to reach? (or any manner of other interpretations)

I would imagine this mother faces some sort of charges - primarily because of the notoriety the case has achieved. But as far as the actual statute reads .. ? Not impressed. Maybe slightly better than nothing, but ... I believe the saying is, "Drive a truck .. "

Ocelot II

(115,887 posts)
14. Can a six-year-old load a 9mm handgun?
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 10:45 PM
Jan 2023

I doubt very much that the gun was lying around unloaded and the kid loaded it himself. You have to pull out the magazine and slide the bullets into it one at a time, and as you add more bullets it gets harder to load the magazine because as you add rounds, the spring is compressed more and the tension becomes stronger. I don't think a 6-year old could do it.

stopdiggin

(11,384 posts)
15. I thought about that too
Tue Jan 10, 2023, 12:59 AM
Jan 2023

You could be right. (and you could also be wrong)
Example: loaded clip is sitting right beside the handgun in the sock drawer. Not loaded. And that 6 yr old is completely capable of slapping that clip into the handle. (And - while I concede the point as probably 'unlikely' - I'm not 100% convinced that a reasonable intelligent, and determined, 6 yr old couldn't feed at least a couple of rounds into a clip. Particularly one that has seen the task performed before?)

But, all a bit away from the point I was trying to make - which was I think the law is lax, and particularly vulnerable to interpretation. Leaving all sorts of room for end-arounds? (like sock drawers and true measures of 'security'?) And not necessarily in the specifics of this particular case. (where, as I said, I do think charges are likely)

Lunabell

(6,117 posts)
5. Lock her up!
Mon Jan 9, 2023, 09:27 PM
Jan 2023

This is child endangerment in addition to other laws that were broken. Throw the book at this irresponsible parent and gun owner!

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