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H2O Man

(73,531 posts)
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 11:01 AM Jan 2015

Boxing: the Heavyweights!

January 17, at Las Vegas (on Showtime):
Bermane Stiverne vs. Deontay Wilder, for Stiverne’s WBC heavyweight title (12 rounds)


Wladimir Klitschko is the heavyweight champion of the world. However, for purely financial reasons, various “commissions” and promoters have created a number of “titles,” thus creating the fiction that there are anywhere from four to six “champions” per weight class.

When Wladimir’s brother Vitali retired, he held the WBC title. Stiverne won that title in an impressive showing against Chris Arreola. On Saturday, he will defend his title against Deontay Wilder; the winner of this fight will get the opportunity to challenge Wladimir later in the year.

The Klitschko brothers have dominated the heavyweight division for the past decade. Although they are considered “boring” by the American fight fans, they have been consistent in winning. By fighting primarily in Europe -- where they are wildly popular -- both brothers have been allowed to openly and consistently break the rules of the sport. This, plus the fact they tend to be much bigger than their opponents, in one of the weakest eras in boxing’s history, has made it difficult to determine where they rank among the all-time greats.

It is assumed that Wladimir is coming to the end of his career. This has added to the hopes for a new American heavyweight, who can bring excitement to the division. Thus, the expectation is that Saturday’s fight will identify the division’s future.

Stiverne was born in Haiti; is a citizen of Canada; and currently resides in Las Vegas. Wilder is from Alabama. Both men possess the explosive punching-power that can end any fight with a single blow. More, in recent fights, each has shown an impressive “delivery system” for that power. Hence, the excitement grows as Saturday approaches.

Stiverne, 36, stands 6’ 2”, and has an 80” reach. Wilder, 29, is 6’ 6.5” tall, with an 83” reach. Both fighters are orthodox (right-handed). Stiverne has won 24 bouts (21 by KO), with one loss (by TKO), and one draw. Wilder has won all 32 of his bouts by KO -- and all within four rounds.

Stiverne had a deeper amateur career, and has fought tougher opposition in the professionals. He had originally hoped for a career in football, but a knee injury in college ended that dream. He is heavily-muscled, and thus is not particularly fast. He tends to be a counter-puncher, using timing to capitalize on his opponents’ mistakes.

Wilder is tall and relatively thin -- he weighs less than 230 pounds -- and has impressive speed of hands and feet. His impressive wing-span usually allows him to connect from a safe distance, and his size and speed make it impossible for a hurt opponent to get away from him.

Stiverne has solid balance in the ring. This adds to his ability to absorb solid punches, remain calm and relaxed, and to fight 12 rounds if needed. Wilder tends to get excited in fights, and to get off-balance by extending his punches way too far. It is unknown if he has the endurance to go into the late rounds. He has been “wobbled” by punches while off-balance.

Although Wilder is a slight favorite to win, I think that a good case can be made for either man. I was mildly surprised that Teddy Atlas has predicted that Deontay will score a first round knockout. He believes that Wilder’s hand speed and reach will allow him to catch Stiverne cold. That’s certainly a possibility. Likewise, if Wilder extends a punch too far, Stiverne has the ability to end it in the first with a counter-punch.

I favor Wilder in the first four or five rounds. If it goes beyond that, I think Stiverne will win. But nothing would surprise me -- except if the fight goes to the scorecards. Enjoy this fight!

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Boxing: the Heavyweights! (Original Post) H2O Man Jan 2015 OP
Not to mention your man Monroe Jr. is on FNF KamaAina Jan 2015 #1
Yep! H2O Man Jan 2015 #2
Also: H2O Man Jan 2015 #3
Yes! Monroe gets it done! KamaAina Jan 2015 #5
Willie looked good! H2O Man Jan 2015 #8
I should have added H2O Man Jan 2015 #4
Guess I'm an older sports fan, then KamaAina Jan 2015 #6
Right! H2O Man Jan 2015 #7
His win was the lead on Channel 8 Action News sports that night KamaAina Jan 2015 #9

H2O Man

(73,531 posts)
2. Yep!
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 02:30 PM
Jan 2015

I think my younger son and daughter and I may be ringside on Friday night. (I've been talking to Willie and his wife about that.)

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
5. Yes! Monroe gets it done!
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 12:52 AM
Jan 2015

What was that dude thinking, coming into New York (albeit upstate) wearing Cowpies-colored trunks?!

H2O Man

(73,531 posts)
8. Willie looked good!
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:50 PM
Jan 2015

He has grown comfortable at the weight. It's a funny thing -- how the step up from junior middleweight to middleweight is much more difficult, usually, than from welterweight to junior middleweight. But Willie has maintained his speed and reflexes, and at least in my opinion, is stronger and hits harder.

H2O Man

(73,531 posts)
4. I should have added
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:17 PM
Jan 2015

that Wilder is trained by Mark Breland. Older sports fans will remember him as a 1984 Olympic Gold Medal winner. He was one of the greatest amateur boxers ever; I'd put him as a very close second to Ezzard Charles. Breland won two welterweight titles in the professional ranks, too.

Breland adds a lot, because he was tall and thin -- like Deontay Wilder -- and has the ability to teach how to capitalize on those physical advantages.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. Guess I'm an older sports fan, then
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:14 PM
Jan 2015

My Breland memory is when Marlon "Moochie" Starling beat him. This was a very big deal for fight fans in Connecticut. We had fewer homegrown fighters back then (Moochie is from Hartford).

H2O Man

(73,531 posts)
7. Right!
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:24 PM
Jan 2015

Marlon and I talk every year at the IBHOF inductions. He's a great guy. And he had one heck of a career in the ring!

(Years ago, in an 18-month period, my younger boy went from wearing a size 8 sneaker, to a 14. I remember Marlon looking at the suddenly-big version of my son closely, then saying to me, "Damn! What are you feeding that boy?&quot

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
9. His win was the lead on Channel 8 Action News sports that night
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 05:58 PM
Jan 2015

it must not have been hockey season; we still had the Whalers then.

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