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Related: About this forumThe (my) Final Word On "Deflategate"
Anyone shilling this Deflategate nonsense is either a mouth-breathing moron or is trying to sell you something.
1. I am happy to concede that Tom Brady made sure his game footballs were very slightly deflated. Why am I happy to concede that? Because every single quarterback for the last 80 years has done the same thing. It is and has always been part of the culture of the game. Are you a fan of a team? Guess what: your quarterback does the same thing - for Christ's sake, Aaron Rodgers admitted it on the goddam radio. Your quarterback is quite possibly making sure his footballs are manipulated at this very moment to get ready for OTA's.
2. You think this is about "deflated footballs"? This is about Roger Goodell and the league coming out from under Ray Rice etc. and the worst PR year the league has ever endured, and this parade of bullshit is about him and the league trying to show how they're "protecting the integrity of the game." What a blizzard of dogshit. They're trying to polish their shattered integrity with the rag Bill Belichick uses to polish his Lombardi trophies, and it is both cynical and hilariously transparent. If you buy what they're selling for their own benefit, you should hire an assistant to help you cross the street to avoid dying in very slow traffic.
3. The media scrum: Ah, yes, we listen to the press when they say what we want to hear. THE PATRIOTS ARE CHEATERS is music to the ears of millions who are just simply sick of dealing with this dominant team, and that is perfectly understandable. The Pats are the Yankees, the Cowboys, the Most Hated Team of the era. This shit happens when you break a lot of hearts over and over again. And as for the sports press...pssst...pro hint: they're carrying the league's water so they can still get into the locker room next season and be able to do their "jobs." It's not reporting; it's self preservation. None of them are going to say "This is stupid, they all do it, it's part of the game and always has been" for fear of getting frozen out. Think "Meet The Press": No one ever asked Cheney about torture. Why? To make sure he came back on the show for the ratings boost. It's not news. It's business. T'was ever thus.
4. Have you ever, like, actually watched a full football game? The idea that a team that wins four Super Bowls, a zillion playoff games and a large clutch of AFC championships over a 14-year span did so because 0.5 psi might have been removed from some game balls is literally absurd on its face. Willie McGinest didn't stuff Edgerrin James at the goal line for the win in 2003 because the football was slightly less puffy. Etc., and Etc., and Etc. If you buy into this line of baloney, you know fuck-all about the game, and your opinion on the matter should be discounted out of hand.
Here endeth the lesson. If you still don't get it, or won't get it, go back to bed. You clearly need some sleep.
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trumad
(41,692 posts)Probably before you were born.
WilliamPitt
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DanTex
(20,709 posts)Reminds me of the Lance Armstrong apologists. He was the best! You're all just jealous! Plus, everyone cheats!
The main difference is that when it became utterly obvious that Lance was cheating, most of the people defending him finally gave up the argument.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)most people who actually have been following cycling for 40 years disagree with you. The sport of cycling has been using some form of drugs for years back to Mercx. I will give you the best example Tommy smith died in 1967 from amphetamine use. They erected a fuckin'' monument for him. I was riding with my brother the other day. We have been cycling for 35 years. We laugh at guys like you. Everyone was cheating from Ulrich to pantini. Only no nothings like you you think otherwise. what kind of bike do you have a schwinn or a Huffy which at one time did make great Bikes(paramount)
trumad
(41,692 posts)Well then the sport of cycling is a fucking joke.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)when the sport has done it for years. He was doing drugs to compete. If everyone is doing how don't you. Anyone who is competitive would not allow another to get an advantage. It was really the same with Bonds. He was seeing everyone else doing it and he was not going to be left behind.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)who cork bats, scuff baseballs, use steroids or use some kind of grease on a baseball. same goes for every football player who uses stickum, steroids, vaseline or any other item that is outside the bounds. Players in every sport will cheat to gain an advantage. It really is no different that society in general.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)was the only one doing steroids. Like I said Schwinn or Huffy?
DanTex
(20,709 posts)wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)"The main difference is that when it became utterly obvious that Lance was cheating, most of the people defending him finally gave up the argument"
That is an implication without context of the sport and the fact that cycling has always had a history of drugs.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Most people, including virtually all of the media, clung to the "witch hunt" theory and the "never tested positive" line way past the point where it was utterly obvious that he was as doped up as a human can be.
I don't see how this implies that people like Pantani and Ullrich were clean. Actually, the opposite. The fact that Lance was beating a field full of dopers (including people like Ullrich and Pantani who were not just doping, but also way more talented than him) was just more evidence that he was dirty. And the other ironic thing about your accusing me of being a "Schwinn-rider" is that people who actually knew anything about cycling had known that Lance was doped to the gills since back in 99. The "Shwinn-riders" got into the sport just to worship Lance, the never-would-I-ever-dope-because-cancer hero.
Yeah, cycling has a history of drugs. But it wasn't near as bad in the pre-EPO decade. The speeds went up a lot, you can see it in the times. Lemond, for example, rode clean, or at least mostly clean. Then he suddenly couldn't compete. And Armstrong wasn't your ordinary doper. He was an average professional cycling talent, who built up the most elaborate team-wide doping scheme that the sport had ever seen. Plus he was a leader in the omerta and bullying of anyone who tried to clean the sport up at all.
I'm not sure why, if you actually know anything about cycling like you are claiming, that you are sticking up for him.
I ride a Specialized. And you? Lemme guess... Trek?
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)They were all doping. You quote needed context. Schwinn was great in the paramount days who ended up being Waterford. i finally got a new bike last year. i rode steel. i rode my Holdsworth special until last year. Reynolds 531 with sewups. suntour superbe equipped. I titaniumed most of the bike and had my steel down to 21 lbs.
I bought a REI Novara aluminum with 105. I bought sewups and replaced the stock wheels. I'm a sewup guy. Nothing rides like them. I wish I could afford carbon but to rich for my blood. The Novrara is a nice bike pretty responsive and 19 lbs.
today's gearing is so different than the old gearing. 52-42 in the front and 14-26 on the rear. today's bikes are 50-34 with 12-27. What a difference.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)But I do still believe, or at least hope, that Lemond was clean. Still, even in a dirty world, Lance is scum.
And, I have to admit, the fact that I have a nice bike doesn't mean I can actually ride. I live in NYC now, so mostly I just do laps around central park, hoping not to be stopped by the cops for speeding or running red lights (red lights in a park?), which they crack down on from time to time after some idiot runs over a pedestrian or else when Bono gets into an accident. Every now and then I do a longer ride, and there really are some beautiful ones once you get out of the city.
Still, internet trash talk aside, I have no doubt that you'd drop me like a bad habit as soon as the grade reached 1%. I ride a cyclocross bike, used to do some mild offroad stuff and thought the cross bike was a good compromise, but not anymore, put road tires on it which makes it a good enough road bike for me. If I really wanted to cut down the weight and aerodynamic profile, the solution would be to drink less Guinness, not spend $10K on a bike.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)I didn't ride for a while and I got on my bike and i said there is no way I'm dragging this weight up a hill. i lost 25 lbs. I am now about 8 lbs more than my college weight and i am 63. Georgia is a great place to ride. Great hills and straight aways. I am sure there are excellent bike clubs in NYC. Even when I was a kid in the 60's there was a club of guys going past my house. I'm sure they rode from the bronx through yonkers. Cycling has always been big in NYC. i ride about 5 times a week and will be riding 25 miles tomorrow morning.
frylock
(34,825 posts)but that's just my opinion.
wilt the stilt
(4,528 posts)however Europe was always after him. Europeans hate American riders. they hated Lemond. This was a complete witch hunt and the American Federation played right into the European hands. Did you see the Europeans go after any of the European stars?
marmar
(77,056 posts)..... who viciously went after people who told the truth about him, even though they were right. And he was the de facto face of the sport.
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Your blinders aren't allowing you to see that. Ignore.
Dude---you ignored so many people in the last 24 hours that it may be a DU record. Cover your ears and yell blah blah blah---Now that's a "Blinder".
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)I ask a simple question - that has never been answered by any Patriots fans and I'm ignored. What a crybaby. Seriously!
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)I now know who to ignore.
DanTex
(20,709 posts)Maybe they wouldn't have won quite as much, but they would still have been a decent team. Although, having said that, we don't know exactly how much cheating was going on. Was it just stealing signals and deflating balls, or was there more than that?
GusBob
(7,286 posts)The facts are:
1. The Patriots have a documented history of cheating
2. They have been caught cheating again
3. Your star QB is a cheater
4. The Cowboys, Steelers and other successful teams have no history of cheating
5. Pats fans who have no problem standing up for players and team that cheat have no credibility
tilt at windmills all you want, you are in the wrong
ETA: Having coached football for 16 seasons now, Spring and Fall (our team just won its second state championship in a row), I might have a different perspective than some....but one thing I have discovered year by year is certain teams get a reputation of various kinds, rightly or wrongly, they carry that mantle.
Rightly or wrongly, your team's tainted legacy is that of "the rules don't apply to us" That is what grates the cheese of this football fan, not their success
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)The entire Steel Curtain dynasty were roided out of their minds.
The Cowgirls were caught fiming signals in the 90's when they had their three out of four run. The original "spygate".
You've got to be kidding.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)And the NFL spoon fed the media this garbage report, and a public not interested in looking past the headlines bought it...mob justice at its finest.
frylock
(34,825 posts)disappointing.
Iggo
(47,537 posts)What's not to get?
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)Ignore
mythology
(9,527 posts)They are willing to go to any length to justify it. There's a reason that another poster went on a series of insulting posts calling people idiots and such because deep down they know this is wrong but if they admit it, then they have to admit their team isn't a winner in a fair competition and their team doesn't believe they can win without cheating.
For example, how many Red Sox fans bash Alex Rodriguez for taking performance enhancing drugs yet cheer David Ortiz who has also taken peds.
Instead we get intellectually dishonest rants like the above and attempting to claim everybody does it and so it's fine that Tom Brady was fine with cheating.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)
Must suck to be a Pats fan and have to live through so many cheating scandals. At some point, though, you may stop noticing them. Habituation and all.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)you on ignore in all this...adios!
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Frankly, I'm a little offended it took this long.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)My kids outgrew the "waaah! He did it too!!" excuse somewhere around 3rd grade.
joeybee12
(56,177 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)
PeteSelman
(1,508 posts)The haters just have to hate.
I'm an Eagles fan and I don't think for one second that we were cheated out of the Super Bowl we lost to New England. We lost that game the old fashioned way, by choking. Heh.
This suspension won't hold and this is only going to piss the Pats off.
