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Scurrilous

(38,687 posts)
Thu Feb 23, 2012, 11:13 PM Feb 2012

Knicks’ Shooting Star Gets Dose of Humility

Miami Gives Lin a Rough Time as Heat Beat Knicks

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"The next phase of Jeremy Lin’s N.B.A. education began Thursday night, under a deafening din, amid a sea of black jerseys that seemed to blanket every inch of floorboard at American Airlines Arena.

The Miami Heat did not just guard Lin. They attacked, swarmed and engulfed him, turning the Knicks’ point-guard sensation into a flustered mess. In the final game before the All-Star break, the Heat demonstrated the full extent of its superstar powers at both ends of the court and routed the Knicks, 102-88.

Lin, unable to find much room to operate or any steady rhythm, had his worst game since his fairy-tale run began three weeks ago. He finished as many turnovers as points (8) and only three assists and went 1 for 11 from the field as the Knicks (17-18) slipped below .500 again."

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/24/sports/basketball/miami-gives-lin-a-rough-time-as-heat-beat-knicks.html
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Knicks’ Shooting Star Gets Dose of Humility (Original Post) Scurrilous Feb 2012 OP
So he's "not so good on the Pro level"? El Supremo Feb 2012 #1
averaging trumad Feb 2012 #2
... El Supremo Feb 2012 #6
Fail trumad Feb 2012 #7
Duh (eom) ProfessorGAC Feb 2012 #3
Just young and inexperienced...he'll learn... joeybee12 Feb 2012 #4
Great shooter...crappy ball handler. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2012 #5
The Heat really exposed his poor ball handling skills RockaFowler Feb 2012 #8
While 8 turnovers is a bad game, and Lin is 8th in the NBA in turnovers per game at only (3.6). hughee99 Feb 2012 #9
But here's the thing... trumad Feb 2012 #10
I agree, but while the pros can figure you out, hughee99 Feb 2012 #13
Where did you get your stats?? RockaFowler Feb 2012 #11
From NBA.com hughee99 Feb 2012 #12
He's only played 12 games, though RockaFowler Feb 2012 #14
The link you provided says 21 games hughee99 Feb 2012 #15
Pro Basketball reference has stats for Per 36 minutes(Don't know why they don't go all out and do JonLP24 Feb 2012 #16
It sounds like those would be the stats for his 11 starts. hughee99 Feb 2012 #17

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
5. Great shooter...crappy ball handler.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 01:24 PM
Feb 2012

He'll get better. One game does not a flop make. Here I will reference Tebow. Just this once.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
8. The Heat really exposed his poor ball handling skills
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 03:40 PM
Feb 2012

Now all of those turnovers are glaringly obvious. He needs some work. I think he will be good, but they can't force it. Last night they were forcing a LOT. Carmelo and Amare should have taken more control of the game. Oh and Baron Davis - where did he go??

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
9. While 8 turnovers is a bad game, and Lin is 8th in the NBA in turnovers per game at only (3.6).
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:07 PM
Feb 2012

You can't turn the ball over that often and be successful in the NBA, just ask the 7 people ahead of him on that list...

1 Russell Westbrook , OKC
1 Deron Williams , NJN
3 John Wall , WAS
4 Kobe Bryant , LAL
5 Rajon Rondo , BOS
6 Steve Nash , PHX
7 LeBron James , MIA
8 Jeremy Lin , NYK
9 Kevin Durant , OKC

 

trumad

(41,692 posts)
10. But here's the thing...
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:20 PM
Feb 2012

We truly need a full season from him to see how good he really is.

It's like a rookie pitcher who comes in and dominates.

His second and third go-around is where he proves himself---because the Pros can figure you out real quick.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
13. I agree, but while the pros can figure you out,
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:02 PM
Feb 2012

the players can also make adjustments as well. He certainly does have a way to go to prove himself.

RockaFowler

(7,429 posts)
11. Where did you get your stats??
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:25 PM
Feb 2012

If he has played 11 games this season and has 76 turnovers - that means he averages 6.9 per game. Far more than the 3.6 you mention above.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/4299/jeremy-lin

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
12. From NBA.com
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 05:58 PM
Feb 2012

He's played in 21 games, according to them.

http://www.nba.com/statistics/player/Turnovers.jsp?league=00&conf=OVERALL&position=0&splitType=9splitScope=GAME&qualified=N&yearsExp=-1&splitDD=All%20Teams

His minutes per game are considerably lower than the other players on the list, though. Even according to your link, he averages 3.6 per game.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
15. The link you provided says 21 games
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:21 PM
Feb 2012

same as the one on NBA.com. He's only STARTED 11 games, but he's played in 21. Since they don't break down turnovers in games he started vs. games he came off the bench, all I can really go on is (# of turnovers)/(ALL games played). Given that his minutes per game are also affected, if you did the math you could determine turnovers/minute played and that should be a little higher than those above him on my list.

JonLP24

(29,929 posts)
16. Pro Basketball reference has stats for Per 36 minutes(Don't know why they don't go all out and do
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:30 PM
Feb 2012

48 minutes).

He has 5.4 TOV, but he also has 21.6 PPG and 8.6 APG which is higher than regular averages of 14.4 and 5.8

http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/linje01.html

His Player Efficiency Rating is very high though.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
17. It sounds like those would be the stats for his 11 starts.
Fri Feb 24, 2012, 06:42 PM
Feb 2012

A better measure against other starters than the info I posted.

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