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Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 03:28 PM Nov 2017

Why are there sooooo many bad coaches right now in the NFL?

Right now, there's only one sure HOF coach in the NFL, and three very borderline ones (Sean Payton, Pete Carroll, and Andy Reid). Everyone else is just awful, with the exception of the Rams head coach who has gotten off to a good start so far.

Most NFL games are just awful to watch. Riddled with dumb mistakes and poor execution. It cannot be the talent. Talent improves over time. It's the coaching that's bad.

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Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
2. Carroll has rehabilitated his professional career in Seattle.
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 03:52 PM
Nov 2017

And he's one of the very few good coaches in the game today.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
4. Just because they don't have Vince Lombardi on their resume doesn't make them bad
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 04:41 PM
Nov 2017

I don't like the Arian's likes the ball first, I prefer halftime and going for it on 4th 1 & 2 spread them out instead of a goaline situation. It is hard to say & every situation but I agree there are bad coaches like Dirk Koeter who was above above average for college but was surprised to hear he landed a NFL job but I think a coach like Arian's has done an excellent job dealing with tough situations as well as you can.

In fact I think there are a lot of position coaches that are really talented but don't get praise except within the league of course but I'm talking about the public. Dick Vermiel shaked the hand of every position coach after he won a Super Bowl saying that they don't get the credit a head coach does when they were really helpful. Especially in the NFL you need a team of coaches. Remember when Pete Carroll was fired by the Jets.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
5. Every week, I see basic fundamental mistakes happening again and again
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 05:04 PM
Nov 2017

Notably, turnovers and penalties in the red zone, and turnovers and penalties in general. This shows just how poor the coaching is in the NFL.

JonLP24

(29,322 posts)
6. Turnovers and penalties are going to happen every game
Mon Nov 13, 2017, 05:11 PM
Nov 2017

It is like chess out there guess play calls coaches are trying to set up the other team's play calls. I remember Matt Ryan yelled endzone! And it turned out to a pass inside the 10. There is a human element including refs at play here so everyone is going to make mistakes including the players. I do agree some are bad coaches some are in tough situations. I have a great respect for the Cardinals running back coach, offensive assistant, defensive line coach pass rush specialist who was part of the Kansas City Chiefs Super Bowl victory from the Lombardi era.

ProfessorGAC

(64,854 posts)
7. Lots Of Playing Not To Lose
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 01:32 AM
Nov 2017

The coaches you mention mostly play to win, not to avoid a loss
Makes for poor games unless a player or two just take over the game.

Yavin4

(35,421 posts)
8. I think that it's because they design plays outside of the talent level of their personnel
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 11:30 AM
Nov 2017

You have these "genius" coordinators whose plays are meant for a higher level of talent. Take SF's new coach for example. His plays are meant for Matt Ryan and Julio Jones, but he doesn't have those players.

Design and manage the game for the personnel that you have not the personnel that you want.

ProfessorGAC

(64,854 posts)
9. Could Be
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 12:28 PM
Nov 2017

But my example is John Fox who is so risk averse that the rookie QB is learning nothing except how to throw 6 yard check downs because avoiding a loss is so important. Then they lose to the Packers anyway, who didn't have 2 O linemen, Aaron Rodgers, and a beat up defense.

Auggie

(31,133 posts)
10. Don't be so quick to dismiss the talent ...
Wed Nov 15, 2017, 02:23 PM
Nov 2017

a lot do not take to coaching or learning the necessary skill sets required in the jump from college to the pros. Some simply can't evolve athletically or mentally either. There is work ethic too -- general overall attitude.

fishwax

(29,148 posts)
11. There are a ton of young coaches right now
Thu Nov 16, 2017, 12:38 AM
Nov 2017

More than half the league has a head coach within the last three seasons. And most of the coaches hired in the last couple of years have been first-timers.

There were five teams with new head coaches this year, and each coach is a rookie coach (Buffalo, Denver, LA Rams, LA Chargers, and San Francisco). Some of these look better than others. But they're young and its early yet.

There were six teams with new head coaches in the 2016 season, four of whom were rookie coaches (Giants, Dolphins, Eagles, Tampa Bay) and two who had pretty limited experience (Hue Jackson had one year at Oakland before Cleveland hired him, and Marrone had two seasons in Buffalo before the Jags hired him).

There were five teams with new head coaches in the 2015 season. Two were basically rookies (Quinn in Atlanta and Bowles--who had been interim head coach for a few games in Miami) and the other three were coaches with pretty marginal records (John Fox took a couple of teams to Super Bowls, but Jack Del Rio had a losing record as head coach at Jacksonville and Mike Mularkey only won about a third of his games at Buffalo and Jacksonville).

So that's 16 teams with new coaches in the last three years, and 11 coaches (one third of the league) with less than three seasons worth of experience.

I don't know how that stands up historically, but I'm guessing that it is a much larger pool of inexperienced head coaches than has been normal in the past.

As far as I can tell, there are only fourteen head coaches currently coaching who had five or more full seasons of experience heading into this year:

Belichick (5 Super Bowl wins; 2 losses)
Marvin Lewis
Mike McCarthy (1 Super bowl)
Sean Payton (1 Super Bowl)
Mike Tomlin (1 Super Bowl win; 1 loss)
John Harbaugh (1 Super Bowl)
Jason Garrett
Pete Carroll (1 Super Bowl win; 1 loss)
Ron Rivera (1 Super bowl loss)
Chuck Pagano
Andy Reid (1 Super Bowl loss)
Jim Caldwell
John Fox (2 Super bowl losses)
Jack Del Rio





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