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Auggie

(31,167 posts)
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 09:31 PM Dec 2021

Major League Baseball lockout appears imminent after negotiations end abruptly

IRVING, Texas -- A lockout of Major League Baseball players appeared imminent after talks between the league and union ended after just seven minutes of negotiations Wednesday afternoon, less than 12 hours before the expiration of the game's collective-bargaining agreement.

In what's likely to be the last talks between the parties before the league's expected lockout of players Thursday, leaders for both sides met at the Four Seasons Dallas at Las Colinas. When the meeting adjourned minutes later, officials from the league left the hotel and players were told talks were done for the day.

It was an ignominious end to three days of bargaining that produced no progress after months of talks had done the same. While there was hope that the face-to-face meetings would generate some movement, no proposals gained traction.

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The chasm between the sides centers on the game's core economics. The union's proposal this week included playoff expansion to 12 teams and the ability to put patches on uniforms. The players remain steadfast in their desire to remove artificial restraints on free agency, get players paid more at earlier ages, fix service-time manipulation and address tanking.

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/32764835/major-league-baseball-lockout-appears-imminent-negotiations-end-abruptly

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Major League Baseball lockout appears imminent after negotiations end abruptly (Original Post) Auggie Dec 2021 OP
Fuck ''em all. We get to see only a few of the teams all year.. madinmaryland Dec 2021 #1
26 seasons without labor strife and now this... True Dough Dec 2021 #2
I do... that '90's lockout would have never happened... Fix The Stupid Dec 2021 #3
Yes, that was a great disappointment True Dough Dec 2021 #8
Statement From the MLB Commissioner, Robert D. Manfred Jr. Brother Buzz Dec 2021 #4
Statement From the Major League Baseball Players Association Brother Buzz Dec 2021 #5
Thanks for these posts Auggie Dec 2021 #6
I could be wrong, but I suspect somebody pissed in the Commissioner's Wheaties Brother Buzz Dec 2021 #7

madinmaryland

(64,931 posts)
1. Fuck ''em all. We get to see only a few of the teams all year..
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 09:49 PM
Dec 2021

So why should I give a shit about baseball anymore. Oh, and they want the designated hitter rule in both leagues.

Next thing, Bonds and Schilling will be in the HoF.

True Dough

(17,303 posts)
2. 26 seasons without labor strife and now this...
Wed Dec 1, 2021, 11:11 PM
Dec 2021

The lockout will be MLB's first work stoppage since the 1994-95 strike and the fourth lockout in baseball history. The three previous lockouts occurred in 1973 (lasted 12 days), 1976 (13 days), and 1990 (32 days) and did not result in any regular season games being postponed or canceled.

https://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-lockout-likely-as-league-halts-last-minute-talks-in-texas-per-report/


How long did any of you harbor ill will towards MLB in '94-'95? I didn't hold a grudge for very long. Maybe a few months.

Fix The Stupid

(948 posts)
3. I do... that '90's lockout would have never happened...
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 11:55 AM
Dec 2021


If the EXPOS weren't going to win the World Series that year...


Go ahead change my mind.

Brother Buzz

(36,422 posts)
4. Statement From the MLB Commissioner, Robert D. Manfred Jr.
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 12:42 PM
Dec 2021
A letter to baseball fans
12:03 AM EST


To our Fans:

I first want to thank you for your continued support of the great game of baseball. This past season, we were reminded of how the national pastime can bring us together and restore our hope despite the difficult challenges of a global pandemic. As we began to emerge from one of the darkest periods in our history, our ballparks were filled with fans; the games were filled with excitement; and millions of families felt the joy of watching baseball together.

That is why I am so disappointed about the situation in which our game finds itself today. Despite the league’s best efforts to make a deal with the Players Association, we were unable to extend our 26 year-long history of labor peace and come to an agreement with the MLBPA before the current CBA expired. Therefore, we have been forced to commence a lockout of Major League players, effective at 12:01am ET on December 2.

I want to explain to you how we got here and why we have to take this action today. Simply put, we believe that an offseason lockout is the best mechanism to protect the 2022 season. We hope that the lockout will jumpstart the negotiations and get us to an agreement that will allow the season to start on time. This defensive lockout was necessary because the Players Association’s vision for Major League Baseball would threaten the ability of most teams to be competitive. It’s simply not a viable option. From the beginning, the MLBPA has been unwilling to move from their starting position, compromise, or collaborate on solutions.

When we began negotiations over a new agreement, the Players Association already had a contract that they wouldn’t trade for any other in sports. Baseball’s players have no salary cap and are not subjected to a maximum length or dollar amount on contracts. In fact, only MLB has guaranteed contracts that run 10 or more years, and in excess of $300 million. We have not proposed anything that would change these fundamentals. While we have heard repeatedly that free agency is “broken” – in the month of November $1.7 billion was committed to free agents, smashing the prior record by nearly 4x. By the end of the offseason, Clubs will have committed more money to players than in any offseason in MLB history.

We worked hard to find compromise while making the system even better for players, by addressing concerns raised by the Players Association. We offered to establish a minimum payroll for all clubs to meet for the first time in baseball history; to allow the majority of players to reach free agency earlier through an age-based system that would eliminate any claims of service time manipulation; and to increase compensation for all young players, including increases in the minimum salary. When negotiations lacked momentum, we tried to create some by offering to accept the universal Designated Hitter, to create a new draft system using a lottery similar to other leagues, and to increase the Competitive Balance Tax threshold that affects only a small number of teams.

We have had challenges before with respect to making labor agreements and have overcome those challenges every single time during my tenure. Regrettably, it appears the Players Association came to the bargaining table with a strategy of confrontation over compromise. They never wavered from collectively the most extreme set of proposals in their history, including significant cuts to the revenue-sharing system, a weakening of the competitive balance tax, and shortening the period of time that players play for their teams. All of these changes would make our game less competitive, not more.

To be clear: this hard but important step does not necessarily mean games will be cancelled. In fact, we are taking this step now because it accelerates the urgency for an agreement with as much runway as possible to avoid doing damage to the 2022 season. Delaying this process further would only put Spring Training, Opening Day, and the rest of the season further at risk – and we cannot allow an expired agreement to again cause an in-season strike and a missed World Series, like we experienced in 1994. We all owe you, our fans, better than that.

Today is a difficult day for baseball, but as I have said all year, there is a path to a fair agreement, and we will find it. I do not doubt the League and the Players share a fundamental appreciation for this game and a commitment to its fans. I remain optimistic that both sides will seize the opportunity to work together to grow, protect, and strengthen the game we love. MLB is ready to work around the clock to meet that goal. I urge the Players Association to join us at the table.

Robert D. Manfred Jr.
Commissioner of Major League Baseball.

Brother Buzz

(36,422 posts)
5. Statement From the Major League Baseball Players Association
Thu Dec 2, 2021, 12:49 PM
Dec 2021

Statement From the Major League Baseball Players Association:

Major League Baseball has announced a lockout of Players, shutting down our industry.

This shutdown is a dramatic measure, regardless of the timing. It is not required by law or for any other reason. It was the owners' choice, plain and simple, specifically calculated to pressure Players into relinquishing rights and benefits, and abandoning good faith bargaining proposals that will benefit not just Players, but the game and industry as a whole.

These tactics are not new. We have been here before, and Players have risen to the occasion time and again — guided by a solidarity that has been forged over generations. We will do so again here.

We remain determined to return to the field under the terms of a negotiated collective bargaining agreement that is fair to all parties, and provides fans with the best version of the game we all love.

MLBPA executive director, Tony Clark.

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