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Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:18 AM

My neighbor has cats

Unvaccinated, unneutered, unspayed cats. I live in a migratory corridor for several endangered species like the gray vireo and willow flycatcher. The cats are coming onto my property to hunt. They get in the trash cans. They howl at 4 a.m.

I confronted the adult daughter, the instigator, two weeks ago. When trash was strewn in front of my house a few days ago, I tried to talk to her again. She blew me off and told me to talk to her father, who happened to be out of town, but is returning again later today.

I rush ordered a havaheart humane cat trap, and lo, found it occupied this morning.

I am going over to confront the father later. This gets resolved today. I HATE this! I love cats (indoors) and like my neighbors but this is ridiculous!

Any advice here from fellow birdwatchers is appreciatedóin case we come to loggerheads.

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Reply My neighbor has cats (Original post)
Ponietz Apr 2019 OP
handmade34 Apr 2019 #1
Ponietz Apr 2019 #5
handmade34 Apr 2019 #6
Ponietz Apr 2019 #8
LakeArenal Apr 2019 #27
handmade34 Apr 2019 #38
LakeArenal Apr 2019 #39
CurtEastPoint Apr 2019 #2
Kali Apr 2019 #3
Ponietz Apr 2019 #11
patricia92243 Apr 2019 #4
Ponietz Apr 2019 #14
Delmette2.0 Apr 2019 #7
Ponietz Apr 2019 #40
Delmette2.0 Apr 2019 #41
Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #9
Ponietz Apr 2019 #10
Farmer-Rick Apr 2019 #26
patricia92243 Apr 2019 #21
Mosby Apr 2019 #12
Ponietz Apr 2019 #15
Ponietz Apr 2019 #13
msdogi Apr 2019 #16
Ponietz Apr 2019 #17
LakeArenal Apr 2019 #18
Ponietz Apr 2019 #19
Botany Apr 2019 #20
LakeArenal Apr 2019 #22
Botany Apr 2019 #23
LakeArenal Apr 2019 #24
Ponietz Apr 2019 #25
MontanaMama Apr 2019 #28
PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #29
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #31
playaseeker Apr 2019 #30
The Velveteen Ocelot Apr 2019 #32
playaseeker Apr 2019 #37
PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 2019 #33
Ponietz Apr 2019 #35
lettucebe Apr 2019 #34
Ponietz Apr 2019 #36

Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:27 AM

1. you are nicer than me

I have and would take the trapped cat to the humane society... irresponsible people shouldn't have pets and the shelter will at least take care of vaccinations and neutering

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:36 AM

5. I think there are 4 cats right now--

I donít know whether to tell him I caught the cat. It might be better to confront himóthen, if it goes south, just take the cat to county animal control and make a complaintóbut that could also mean making an enemy in this culturally sensitive area. If I just take the cat to the humane society thereíll still be, at least, 3 cats to deal with.

Wish I could bring the National Audubon Society down on them like a ton of bricks.

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #5)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:46 AM

6. I would not tell the neighbor...

if he cares so little that he lets his cats roam, then better for the cat and for you (and relationship with neighbor) that you just trap them and take them to shelter (just tell them you trapped a stray cat )... I have no sympathy for people who don't care for pets properly

I value the wildlife around my property, especially the birds and I will not tolerate neighbors who are careless...


feral cats and indoor pets allowed to roam outdoors kill from 1.4 billion to as many as 3.7 billion birds in the continental U.S. each year (study from 2013... probably more now)


as to possible trapping other wildlife... I trap skunks, raccoons and squirrels (who are troublesome), often in my traps... I rehome them to a safer place that in not heavily populated (I acknowledge that is not perfect but better than killing)

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #6)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:51 AM

8. Thanks, that's the kind of advice I was looking for.

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #8)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:02 AM

27. However, that is illegal here.

You canít make feral cats someone elseís problem.

Itís also illegal to shoot them.

🤷🏼‍♀️

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #27)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 01:20 PM

38. when trapping

I never move a feral cat... feral cats need permanent removal; to a shelter or otherwise

only if I trap other wildlife (skunks, squirrels, etc..) do I move the critter and then only to a large forest where there are no homes (I have the luxury of living near spaces like that)

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Response to handmade34 (Reply #38)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 01:26 PM

39. Thanks.

Still I do wish sometimes I were the type to make it someone elseís problem or be able to shoot one.

We have no shelters or rescues in the county.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:31 AM

2. Thank you for trapping him/her. They all need fixing. Many bad behaviors

go away or are lessened when neutered. You are kind.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:32 AM

3. good luck with that

looks like you live where animals other than cats could be getting into your trash, you may be catching them in your trap soon.

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Response to Kali (Reply #3)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 09:05 AM

11. Maybe, but I did surprise two cats while they were feasting on garbage a few days ago

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:36 AM

4. We have ferrel cats, therefore no birds or squirrels. I'm afraid of them to try to trap them.

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Response to patricia92243 (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 09:16 AM

14. I am impressed with the cat trap I bought. Very safe.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:50 AM

7. The cats in my neighborhood have killed off the rabbits.

I loved to see the rabbits that lived under my shed, but people have let their cats out to run around the neighborhood and I haven't seen a rabbit in two years.

Every year there are different cats going through my yard. There is no way to tell who they belong too.

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Response to Delmette2.0 (Reply #7)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 02:41 PM

40. As others note, it's not just rabbits that disappear

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #40)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 04:10 PM

41. Oh, I totally understand.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 08:58 AM

9. There was a moment in time when I had no dogs on the farm.

I usually have dogs for guardians and pets and rescues. But when my last dog died of natural causes, I had no dogs for about 3 months. I noticed then that cats slowly stated showing up to chase and kill my chickens and hunt mice, birds, salamanders and lizards. Also the coyotes got braver. When I got two rescue puppies, the cats stopped coming around. When the dogs got bigger, the coyotes backed off.

It's been five years now and still no cats have come around.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 09:04 AM

10. I caught this cat near where my German Shepherd relieves herself!

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Response to Ponietz (Reply #10)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:53 AM

26. All I can say is that there must be more scaredy cats around here

My dogs are outside dogs. They live with the sheep and chickens or in a huge dog house. That maybe the difference. I've never seen them kill a cat, but the cats stay away.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #9)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:29 AM

21. My dog weighs a whole 6 pounds and the cats just look at her and don't move a muscle :)

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 09:09 AM

12. a lot of cities/counties have ordinances

About outdoor cats and feeding feral cats. Maybe a visit from a official explaining the laws will change their behavior, and you can avoid a confrontation.

I've done this with other issues (like green pools and parking cars on yards) with my neighbors, they probably don't know who called and it took care of the issue.

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Response to Mosby (Reply #12)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 09:20 AM

15. Thanks, I checked the county ordinance

Nothing like that to help here. I already blew my anonymity, ack!

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Response to msdogi (Reply #16)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 09:30 AM

17. Thanks

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 09:45 AM

18. I posted this very topic last year.

I was accused of cat hate and cats get to go wherever they want to go.

My final comment was: OK you win. Cats everywhere even on private property.

I was so frustrated at Fed feral cats andDU I screamed!!!

A year later, I just chased the big gold one out of the yard for the second time today.

Needless to say, there has been no solution from anywhere. As a county agent said: you didnít here this from me, but if it was my yard, Iíd shoot them.

So I feel your pain. And the pain of all the feathers I have found in the yard.

Yesterday I found a different neighborís dead chicken in my yard. We are all pretty sure itís cats.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #18)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:02 AM

19. Thanks

Hopefully, no cat propaganda will crop up here in the Birders group. 😉

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:09 AM

20. Feral Cats are an ecological hammer .... even declawed ones (which is cruel)

They kill snakes, toads, salamanders, birds, insects, mammals, pollinators, and invertebrates
by the truck load. People are not doing any favors when they catch, have them fixed, and then
release them because their hunting instinct is so strong and so they kill and kill and kill.

Outdoor cats don't live very long and they have a very hard life so please keep your kitties inside.

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Response to Botany (Reply #20)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:30 AM

22. Feral cats kill just to kill as well.

They are a deadly invasive species.

In fairness, there are DUers that trap them and relocate them or home them or something.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #22)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:38 AM

23. One of the big reasons you almost never see a garter snake anymore too.

I know of people who go out and feed populations of feral cats
and think that they are "helping" and I plant native plants and wildflowers
for my job and my neighbors (good people) let their cats run wild and they
are always hunting in my front yard.

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Response to Botany (Reply #23)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:39 AM

24. ARRRRGH!!!!!

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #24)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 10:50 AM

25. x2!!!

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:04 AM

28. I'm for not confronting the neighbor

and taking the kitty to the humane society. Cats donít belong outside...they are hell on birds. Iíve asked and asked my next door neighbor to keep his cat inside and he refuses. I have seen his cat catch birds and native pine squirrels. Iíve got a trap set and if I catch him, heíll go to the HS and I will keep it to myself. We have raccoons, skunks, bears and owls in my neighborhood...if I donít catch this kitty...another critter will. Oh well.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:17 AM

29. Another vote for don't confront.

Humanely trap the cats and bring them to a shelter.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #29)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:22 AM

31. I agree. Most rescue organizations will adopt cats only to people

who promise to keep them indoors. Trap the cats, take them to a no-kill shelter where they will be neutered, vaccinated and adopted to good (indoor) homes. That way everybody is happy - you, the birds, the cats, and the cats' new humans. Maybe not the neighbor, but too bad for them.

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:18 AM

30. Tough, but only realistic solution

Trap them and whack them, then take them down the road a hundred yards and run over the body with your car - in the dead of the night. The neighbors will get the message that outdoor cats are at risk. Or not.

You are not killing nice kitties, you are defending the wild birds and other animals. If I could get away with it, I would put little cat faces under my car window like fighter pilots recording enemy kills. I stand for the wild environment and if cats come in our yard, they get whacked.

OR, if you just can't do that, trap them and take them to animal services..... your choice

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Response to playaseeker (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:23 AM

32. That's horrible and cruel.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #32)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 01:06 PM

37. Seems that way, but....

....I was watching a mother Quail cross our backyard with about eight tiny chicks when the neighbors cat ran out and killed the mom Quail. Over the next couple of days I found dead baby chicks in the yard. Seems like allowing the neighbors cat to have free run over all the wildlife is a greater sin than "disposing" of the problem. And you are always free to take them to animal services

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Response to playaseeker (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 11:47 AM

33. Aside from what a terrible thing that would be to do,

those neighbors would not get the message intended.

I got into an argument with my sister recently who thinks that it's perfectly fine to have a cat be mostly outdoors, as her last cat was, and that it's okay that it dies by being hit by a car.

Fortunately, she has no interest in acquiring another cat, nor a dog.

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Response to playaseeker (Reply #30)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 12:47 PM

35. I have to admit that is creative

Was that in a Pulp Fiction sequel?
Thank you for the advice, and I might have considered it in the past.
🙏

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 12:13 PM

34. People rarely change behaviors

So keep that in mind. I'd think it pretty unlikely the neighbor is going to suddenly change because you explain why he should.

Last thing you probably want is war with the neighbors

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Response to Ponietz (Original post)

Mon Apr 8, 2019, 12:52 PM

36. A follow up:

I took the cat to the Humane Society and decided upon no further confrontations with my neighbors (though the cats had gotten into my garbage again while I was gone!)
Thank you all for your considered advice. I will continue to set the cat trap at night.

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