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Fri Jun 13, 2014, 10:16 AM

 

My Bubba is dying from PDD. He's a Severe MaCaw.

After 20 years of his friendship I am totally devastated and emotionally a wreck. I'm a man and I can't even go out in public right now ...Cause I break down crying. I'm crying right now. There is no cure. At this point I am his life support. I have to hand feed him. They don't know how this virus is spread or how long it takes to show up. It's real mystery. My avian vet is one of the best in the country. She didn't like it that I can't bring myself to put him down. I understand her point but I love him so much I just can't do that.









Got to stop posting ...crying too much right now.

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Reply My Bubba is dying from PDD. He's a Severe MaCaw. (Original post)
L0oniX Jun 2014 OP
hlthe2b Jun 2014 #1
L0oniX Jun 2014 #2
hlthe2b Jun 2014 #3
NCarolinawoman Jun 2014 #4
Curmudgeoness Jun 2014 #5
Kaleva Jun 2014 #6
L0oniX Jun 2014 #7
CrispyQ Jun 2014 #8
NCarolinawoman Jun 2014 #9
L0oniX Jun 2014 #10
NCarolinawoman Jun 2014 #11
L0oniX Jun 2014 #12
woo me with science Jul 2014 #15
L0oniX Jul 2014 #16
woo me with science Jul 2014 #17
Solly Mack Jun 2014 #13
L0oniX Jun 2014 #14

Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 10:28 AM

1. Oh, how devastating. I am so very very sorry, L0oniX

He should have been with you for many many more years.

I am sure your veterinarian is aware that some success has been achieved using high doses of anti-inflammatory drugs (e.g., steroids)
Not trying to second guess them, but infectious disease epidemiology is my field and I was vaguely aware of this newly discovered avian bornavirus

Can PDD be Treated? http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&C=10&A=3134&S=0

For many years PDD was considered terminal and the only treatment provided was supportive care. Easily digestible food was provided so as to maximize the amount of nutrients that could be absorbed by the sick bird. Supportive care also involved treating secondary GI infections and maintaining a high level of hygiene to try to prevent secondary infections.

In the past several years, more and more avian veterinarians have reported success in the treatment of PDD by using high doses of powerful anti-inflammatory drugs. These drugs are thought to work by reducing the amount of inflammatory nerve damage that occurs as PDD progresses. Several birds with PDD confirmed by tissue biopsies have survived many months and in some cases several years with this treatment. While this treatment option holds hope for many birds, keep in mind that no scientific studies have confirmed how useful this treatment is, and as such success is considered anecdotal as it is not proven scientifically.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:37 AM

2. He's been on 2ml anti inflammatory for over a month. He just went from...

 

265 - 295 grams to 235 over 2 days. Wanted to up the dose but he's on he max right now. I've been adding a vitamin solution as well. Seems that the virus has won. If he were young he might have had a chance. I expected to die before him. He was a tough bird ...road on my bicycle for years ...out to the beach ...pouring rain ...25 mile trails ...in my van ...at my work ...plays "el toro" with a red cloth ...attacks shoes. Out of my 4 parrots he is the one that understands "play".

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:20 PM

3. What a special bird...

I can very much appreciate your feelings. to your best bud....

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:46 PM

4. I am so very sorry.

He is your best friend, but he is also your little boy, your child. Of course you are upset, and experiencing anticipatory grief while also tending to him.

In my younger days I worked as a pediatric play therapist at a large children's' hospital. One of my rotations was spending a year on the oncology wing as well as working with children with cystic fibrosis--becoming very close to them and getting to know their parents very well. I will go so far as to say you are going through something very similar to what many of those parents went through, while supporting their child in all the ways that they could; without, of course, that last added option.

Birds are wonderful, special creatures. Parrots can be extraordinary. You WILL get through this. There are many online pet support sites that help people who are going through what you are experiencing; and also getting through the quandary of considering that final possible decision.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 06:08 PM

5. Oh no. Poor Bubba.

He sounds so special. I am sorry to hear this and wish you peace in dealing with this. Take your time and do what you feel is best for Bubba, not for you. You will know when it is time to help him out of his suffering.

We will be here to give you cyber hugs....wish I could do more for you and Bubba.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:11 PM

6. Very sorry to hear that.

A friend for the past 20 years.

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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Sat Jun 14, 2014, 10:21 PM

7. Bubba just died.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 05:35 PM

8. I'm so sorry for the loss of your friend.



Our furry & feathered friends fill our lives with so much joy & love.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #7)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 06:28 PM

9. Very sad news.



Were you able to be with him at the time of his passing?

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Response to NCarolinawoman (Reply #9)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 07:25 PM

10. Yes ...I was holding him when he passed ...I am devastated.

 

I don't have children. He was my child. I have never felt this bad. It's just horrible.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #10)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 11:10 PM

11. I am very glad you were with him. He knew that the one he loved was with him.

You gave him all that you could.

I have a friend who lost a parrot after many years and he took it extremely hard. He also thought the parrot would out- live him. He had designated my brother to take care of him if that is the way things went.

You may know that there are many pet loss support groups. I went to one when one of my cats died in 2011. I couldn't get past the bleak reality that she just wasn't there. I never even posted on the site (in fairness, I know I should have). I read stories from people who were consumed with grief or feeling some kind of guilt. Besides missing her , I wondered if I had her put to sleep too soon--breast cancer that had gone to her lungs. My vet, who had come to my home so kitty could be euthanized on her bed, kept re-assuring me I had done the right thing. You often feel guilt no matter what you do. My kitty's absence was deafening. She was very active and kind of supervised household chores and greeted people at the door and told them what chair they should sit in . LOL

Anyway, the best sites are pet loss support Forums--the "Forum" part being very important if you google. Good ones are Grief Healing Discussion Group, Rainbow Bridge, Lightning Strikes. There is much talk of dogs and cats, but any talk of a beloved pet/child are welcome. All you may need to do is browse and read and you will not feel alone.

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Response to NCarolinawoman (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 16, 2014, 10:59 AM

12. We are care takers of 3 others that we dearly love as we would our own children.

 

When Bubba was about to die they all crowed ...serious ...they knew. Gipper the blue gold Macaw is being so nice to me more than usual right now ...he kissed the tears from my face. The grey Cookie is already lonely as Bubba was his pal ...we are worried he may also be infected. The eclectus Pocco seems unaffected by the loss but he is kind of a soloist in nature. He doesn't like the others. They are all in separate enclosures. We have to keep a close watch on Cookie now ...we weight him every few days. My understanding is that if they are young they have a good chance of surviving PDD. I hope we don't have to go through this again.

I have not cried this much over anything else that has happened in my life.

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:01 PM

15. (((((((((((L0oniX))))))))))))

This is belated, but I am so sorry for the loss of your friend and your baby. How much you loved him shines through your words.

It was too soon. I hate when it is too soon.

My heart to your broken heart. (((((((((((You))))))))))

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Response to woo me with science (Reply #15)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:12 PM

16. I'm still crying over it. Died in my hands. Never want to go through that again.

 

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Response to L0oniX (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 1, 2014, 09:49 PM

17. He was your family, your child,

and it's only been two weeks. You're supposed to still be crying.

I don't have birds, but I feed wildlife, and I love the crows most of all. They are so smart.

I am picturing you two on your bike trips.

I'm so sorry it hurts so much.









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Response to L0oniX (Original post)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 10:58 AM

13. ((((L0oniX))))

I'm so sorry!

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Response to Solly Mack (Reply #13)

Wed Jun 18, 2014, 11:04 AM

14. Thankyou

 

I've never felt this bad.

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