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Although pre-Christian religions are replete with the stories of dying and rising gods, the Easter tradition is founded in the Bibles New Testament. Unfortunately for devotees of the Christian faith, the New Testament is replete with irreconcilable discrepancies.
The question is, which contradicting biblical account of Jesus death and resurrection are you celebrating this Easter?
Of the nearly 600 irreconcilable discrepancies and contradictions found in the Bible, a majority are found in the New Testament. This is understandable given the books of the New Testament were written no less than 50-100 years after the purported death of Easters central character, Jesus. Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and Paul hadn't even met Jesus, and they hadnt met the people who had allegedly met Jesus. In other words, the New Testament contains not a single eyewitness testimony, much less even a secondhand account, nor is any account corroborated outside of the Bible.
Without going too far down the theological pathway, Mark, whoever he was, was the first to write a biography of Jesus, some 50 years after the crucifixion. Both Matthew and Luke, whoever they were, copied from Marks written account some 20 to 30 years later, each adding their own theological motives with the help of respective external sources, while John wrote his gospel nearly a full half-century after Mark.
http://www.alternet.org/belief/bible-one-big-mess-contradictions-about-easter
CFLDem
(2,083 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)intaglio
(8,170 posts)Mt 27:52 The tombs were opened, and many bodies of the saints who had fallen asleep were raised;
27:53 and coming out of the tombs after His resurrection they entered the holy city and appeared to many.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)I mean, if the Saints come out of their graves and everyone saw them, wouldn't that have made the "news"?
But we are talking about an absurdly unlikely event that millions of people are celebrating today, and thinking critically about this is not on the agenda.
mike_c
(36,281 posts)It produces too much cognitive dissonance.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)It's really sad that things are this way.
edhopper
(33,567 posts)how could there be Saints without a Vatican to canonize them?
okasha
(11,573 posts)Many modern Christians still use it in this sense. I don't think the Vatican canonizes Mormons.
edhopper
(33,567 posts)I was obviously being snarky, but that is interesting none the less.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)Good stuff.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Considering that it's also 4/20, Im getting ready to have a 3-way with my couch and my bong. Zombieland is first in the que...
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)which limits it. mr blur recommended Zombie Strippers but that didn't stream so when I searched for that it recommended Zombie Hunter which had Danny Trejo in it. Pretty low budget but it's a cool riff on Film Noir. With a little Texas Chainsaw Massacre. If you have Netflix, give it a go...it's only 90 minutes.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Sometimes I wonder how life can get ANY better.
Goblinmonger
(22,340 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)in the last two paragraphs of this excerpt, why should anyone accept this essay as anything but fantasy?
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Given your posting history of factual errors, I defer to your expertise on the subject.
You certainly should, especially since the only defense you can make of the piece is a personsl attack.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)99% of your responses to OP's in this group are hit and run personal attacks.
okasha
(11,573 posts)We now have at least eight factual errors, several of them at the level of first grade math. I see you've already settled in with your bong.
You have a nice day, now.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Sorry you didn't get the Host gig, but there is a reason there was so much opposition to your nomination. Perhaps some reflection is in order. YMMV.
okasha
(11,573 posts)1. Jesus was crucified sometime between CE 30 and 35. Paul's early letters date from the 50"s. That's a difference of 20 to 25 years, not 50.
2. Paul did meet people who had known Jesus, including his brother James and the Apostles Peter and John, son of Zebedee.
3.The generally accepted date for Mark is the early 70's, which places it no more than 35-40 years after Jesus's death; and
4. places it well within the lifetimes of people who had in fact known Jesus.
5. This means that eyewitness testimony cannot be excluded as a source. Actual mainstream scholars also believe that there was a source for eyewitness testimony in John, in the person of the "beloved disciple."
6. No serious scholar places the date of John as late as 130 CE.
7. What does the author mean by "account? If he means a crucifixion narrative outside the NT, he's correct. If it means, as it seems to, that there's no corroborating written evidence, he's wrong. There is now also the possibility of inscriptinonal evidence, since the inscrption on the "James
ossuary" has been established as genuinely ancient.
Since nonsense like this excerpt is usually posted by someone who purports to be interested in facts, you'd think they'd do some fact-checking, instead of relying solely on faith that those "facts" have at least a loose relationship to actual, er, facts.
6. No serious NT scholar places the date of John as late as 130CE.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)nt
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)The first problem lays with these events having any factual basis whatsoever.
okasha
(11,573 posts)of the assertions in your OP.
Ligyron
(7,624 posts)I thought the James ossuary was established by the Israeli Antiquities as a fake?
The IAA embarrased itself pretty badly when at least two of their major witnesses caved on their testimony at the forgery trial of Oded Golan. Golan was found not guilty, though the verdict has had a minimum amount of converge.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)You'll be there a while, so I'll wait until your done.
Remember, we're talking "facts" here.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)for, like, evidence that Jesus was a real person, and that he had disciples, and that he was crucified, and that he came back to life for real? The liberal religionistas here are above having to provide something so petty. Proving any of it as fact is so last century. People like okasha just get to assume it's all true, and argue from there. That's her version of intellectual and academic rigor.
okasha
(11,573 posts)even if they're no more than cut and paste. The existence of Jesus is nowhere a topic in your post. That deals specifically with the dating and information sources of the NT.
The burden of proof lies on you. (And how about leaving those goal posts where you originally put them?)
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)starting with:
Jesus was crucified sometime between CE 30 and 35. Paul's early letters date from the 50"s. That's a difference of 20 to 25 years, not 50. This assumes, without evidence, that there was actually a person named Jesus who was actually crucified between CE 30 and 35. Without that evidence (which you are unable to provide) most of your assertions are meaningless.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Color me unsurprised.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)okasha
(11,573 posts)We also know that you're refusing to take responsibility for your post because you don't have facts to back it up.
Carry on.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Personal attacks are all you have left. They are all you have ever had.
And that is just. plain. sad.
NT
kwassa
(23,340 posts)and atheists claims to rationality are what, exactly?
edit to add:
HAPPY EASTER!
SevenSixtyTwo
(255 posts)As long as the food's good, I'm ok with it! I said Happy Easter to a Muslim gal today on Clearwater Bch. She replied, "Happy Easter!". I guess we were on the same page.
rug
(82,333 posts)Happy Easter!