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I give up, were all the believers taken to heaven? Discussionist? (Original Post) Warren Stupidity May 2014 OP
Worse LostOne4Ever May 2014 #1
Apparently not. rug May 2014 #2
The discussionist is ok but DU is better. Too many old scores being settled at the moment. hrmjustin May 2014 #3
The Discussionist is still in its formative stages. No Vested Interest May 2014 #4
I'll check again in six months or so. Iggo May 2014 #6
DU is home. hrmjustin May 2014 #8
It is for me, as well Warpy May 2014 #50
The atheists won; a few proofs that their idea of "God" did not exist did it Brettongarcia May 2014 #5
Lol! rug May 2014 #33
Somewhere along the way, okasha May 2014 #37
Which proofs for the non-existence of God were those? n/t Htom Sirveaux May 2014 #39
Probably the same ones he offered okasha May 2014 #41
This message was self-deleted by its author Act_of_Reparation May 2014 #49
Here are some of the many proofs that the commonly-conceived God does not exist Brettongarcia May 2014 #55
I will be honest with you their beliefs section is not as interesting and I have no desire to hrmjustin May 2014 #7
I agree with you. No Vested Interest May 2014 #9
Well I just gave up on some and so used the ignore button. hrmjustin May 2014 #10
I've used it as well, and just might add to it very soon. nt No Vested Interest May 2014 #11
. hrmjustin May 2014 #12
I just added two more to "ignore". nt No Vested Interest May 2014 #28
At this point I don't think I will add anymore. hrmjustin May 2014 #29
Are you talking about this group when you say "the believers group"? trotsky May 2014 #13
I took it to mean the posts were ridiculous and inappropriate. rug May 2014 #34
This is not a believers group. Iggo May 2014 #14
Go to it. Speak all you want. No Vested Interest May 2014 #15
Huh? Iggo May 2014 #18
Glad you realized, as I did after I had typed - No Vested Interest May 2014 #21
Actually, what is "rather ridiculous and inappropriate" is your idea that mr blur May 2014 #16
No one is stopping you. No Vested Interest May 2014 #17
Religion affects the lives of non-believers, too. trotsky May 2014 #19
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #20
The answer could be "yes" to all of the above. nt No Vested Interest May 2014 #25
Message auto-removed Name removed May 2014 #27
As soon as the religious stop making it my business, I'll be right there with you. LiberalAndProud May 2014 #23
There is no rule against disliking sports in the sports forum. Warren Stupidity May 2014 #24
I guess, now that I've wearied of this "discussion" No Vested Interest May 2014 #26
Well indeed when you have been shown to be completely wrong on the facts about this group Warren Stupidity May 2014 #30
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #31
There is no rule against baying at the moon either. rug May 2014 #40
Hey, don't go speciesist on us. okasha May 2014 #42
I thought wolves did that. Coyotes must sound completely different. rug May 2014 #43
They have higher voices. okasha May 2014 #44
Lol! rug May 2014 #45
When one of my Chinese friends graduated from KU, his parents came over to tblue37 May 2014 #52
See #34. rug May 2014 #35
Well put, rug. nt No Vested Interest May 2014 #36
People live and die based on the state of stamp collecting. enki23 May 2014 #46
Here. rug May 2014 #47
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #48
This isn't the 'believers' group; this is the religion discussion group LeftishBrit May 2014 #32
Except that this is not the "believers" group skepticscott May 2014 #38
I don't practice any religion, per se. Yet was raised Catholic and remain "culturally" Catholic. pinto May 2014 #22
Thanks pinto. I'm culturally a Catholic too. All those Cleita May 2014 #53
I have asked them to please put me as beneficiary on their life insurance policy. libdem4life May 2014 #51
To be honest I don't feel like arguing with other liberals on there. I choose to do battle with... hrmjustin May 2014 #54

No Vested Interest

(5,183 posts)
4. The Discussionist is still in its formative stages.
Mon May 19, 2014, 01:07 PM
May 2014

I imagine there will be many changes and versions before it emerges into whatever it will become.
I'm willing to give it a looksee, but much prefer the variety of subjects and groups at DU.

Iggo

(47,878 posts)
6. I'll check again in six months or so.
Mon May 19, 2014, 01:49 PM
May 2014

Right now it's more of a Yahoo boardwar/slapfight, except with better vocabulary.

Warpy

(112,232 posts)
50. It is for me, as well
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:41 AM
May 2014

I gave up on mixed sites over 10 years ago although I helped moderate a mixed chat on IRC until 8 years ago when I got my transplant and was too blind to cope.

There were instances of Republicans tracking lefties down and threatening their jobs. There was even a lawsuit filed against one of them--and won by the plaintiff. The rank and file just have never been particularly civilized to the point of having a set of basic manners.

I like the type of discussions that happen when the mean, petty and spiteful Republicans are eliminated. Rational Republicans who are able to discuss things are out there and I count a few as friends, but they've been left in the minority.

DU is home. I will rarely visit Discussionist and only when I have been directed to an interesting discussion.

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
5. The atheists won; a few proofs that their idea of "God" did not exist did it
Mon May 19, 2014, 01:46 PM
May 2014

Last edited Thu May 22, 2014, 08:14 AM - Edit history (1)

Everyone else just gave up. Or left for easier debates.

Sometimes silence from the other side - just means that you have just won. The other side has simply been silenced.

You've got to get used to success; silence at last from the other side is one key sign of it.

Next? Take on the conservatives on their own turf? "Discussionist" blog.

Link?

okasha

(11,573 posts)
41. Probably the same ones he offered
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:07 PM
May 2014

When trolling Prof. Emeritus (Univ. of Edinburgh) Larry Hurtado's blog. Dr. Hurtado banned him for logorrhea and his cockamamie exegeses as, I'm sure, have others. DU and Discussionist are probably the last places left that allow him to post. (Amazing what Google can do with a few simple keystrokes.)

Response to okasha (Reply #41)

Brettongarcia

(2,262 posts)
55. Here are some of the many proofs that the commonly-conceived God does not exist
Thu May 22, 2014, 08:50 AM
May 2014

Following after this post on "What if"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=127820

There are more in the DU OP on "If you can't prove that God exists" fhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/1218126722#post143ollowing this query:

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
7. I will be honest with you their beliefs section is not as interesting and I have no desire to
Mon May 19, 2014, 02:17 PM
May 2014

argue with those I have put on ignore. DU is home.

No Vested Interest

(5,183 posts)
9. I agree with you.
Mon May 19, 2014, 02:26 PM
May 2014

I always consider nonbelievers posting in the believers group rather ridiculous and inappropriate.
Some believe that because believers don't wish to engage with them that they have "won".

What have they won?
I guess they think they have won the "argument", but have they?
Have you heard of any believers becoming non-believers because of postings on DU?
Has anyone noticed a decline in church attendance or even religiosity because of postings on DU?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
10. Well I just gave up on some and so used the ignore button.
Mon May 19, 2014, 02:29 PM
May 2014

It works and makes posting in this room more enjoyable.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
29. At this point I don't think I will add anymore.
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:46 PM
May 2014

The ones I did add just insulted me to the point that a discussion with them is not possible. I wish them the best.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
13. Are you talking about this group when you say "the believers group"?
Mon May 19, 2014, 02:38 PM
May 2014

You do realize that this group is open to both believers AND non-believers, right?

Iggo

(47,878 posts)
18. Huh?
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:07 PM
May 2014

I'm starting to think we're not talking about the same thing.

EDIT: Oh! I see now. I was reading it wrong. You meant "Go to it" as in "Have at it" or "Knock yourself out." I thought you were telling me to go somewhere. I was all, "Go where?"

Duh.

No Vested Interest

(5,183 posts)
21. Glad you realized, as I did after I had typed -
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:25 PM
May 2014

that "go to it" was open to various interpretations.
That why I added the second sentence.

We must be careful of being too cryptic in our posts.

I try to not be vulgar or uncivil in my posts, here and elsewhere on the web.
It is crass enough without my adding to it.

 

mr blur

(7,753 posts)
16. Actually, what is "rather ridiculous and inappropriate" is your idea that
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:03 PM
May 2014

this group is "the believers group".

This is not a safe haven for believers, it's a group for the discussion of religion - and for some obsessive members, atheism.

Perhaps you got lost on the way to the Interfaith group?

No Vested Interest

(5,183 posts)
17. No one is stopping you.
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:06 PM
May 2014

Yes, I consider it ridiculous for those who are non-religious to carry on about religion.

Perhaps I should go to the Sports group and rail about how I dislike sports.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
19. Religion affects the lives of non-believers, too.
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:18 PM
May 2014

Please read:
http://www.freethoughtpedia.com/wiki/Why_atheists_care_about_religion

I think we are entitled to speak our minds about religion. I am sorry you think our voices should be silenced.

Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #17)

Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #25)

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
23. As soon as the religious stop making it my business, I'll be right there with you.
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:26 PM
May 2014

Muslims and Christians tend to be rather authoritarian about imposing their beliefs on unbelievers. Additionally, I truly believe that if the majority of the world's population would abandon supernatural superstition in favor of rational problem solving, our world would be much improved.

No Vested Interest

(5,183 posts)
26. I guess, now that I've wearied of this "discussion"
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:35 PM
May 2014

that one here will declare "victory".
And some will never know that they have been ignored, thus no further replies.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
30. Well indeed when you have been shown to be completely wrong on the facts about this group
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:51 PM
May 2014

the best course of action is to put a couple of people on ignore and act the victim.

Response to No Vested Interest (Reply #26)

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
40. There is no rule against baying at the moon either.
Mon May 19, 2014, 09:53 PM
May 2014

But don't expect anyone to take you seriously.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
42. Hey, don't go speciesist on us.
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:15 PM
May 2014

One of the prettiest sounds in my part of the world is coyotes singing in 4-part harmony.

okasha

(11,573 posts)
44. They have higher voices.
Mon May 19, 2014, 10:27 PM
May 2014

Soprano to high baritone vs. bass baritone to basso profundo.

I was out on a ranch birding with a city guy one time, and the coyotes started up a chorus in the middle of the afternoon. His eyes practically popped, and he muttered, "My God, it sounds like Jurassic Park out here.!"

tblue37

(65,833 posts)
52. When one of my Chinese friends graduated from KU, his parents came over to
Tue May 20, 2014, 11:37 AM
May 2014

attend his graduation. They stayed here for a week. I was amused by all the pictures they took of squirrels. Every time they spotted one, the father would stop to take pictures. Afterward I asked my friend why, thinking that maybe his father just loved squirrels for some reason.

He told me that they just never saw wildlife of any sort in the city back home. To them, actual live squirrels running around on the grass and climbing trees was almost as exotic and exciting as seeing an elephant or lion on an African tour would be for an American.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
35. See #34.
Mon May 19, 2014, 05:27 PM
May 2014
This is not a safe haven for believers, it's a group for the discussion of religion - and for some obsessive members, atheism.


What is obsessive is non-stamp collectors persistently talking about stamp collecting. Particularly when they repeatedly echo each other.

enki23

(7,793 posts)
46. People live and die based on the state of stamp collecting.
Tue May 20, 2014, 10:20 AM
May 2014

When we live in a nation where people don't live and die based on the state of the stamp collecting, you'll have a point. Until then, your position on it is willfully ignorant. And, unless you're actually stupid, the ignorant part is unconvincing. I think you know better, but just like to be a dick about it. I could be wrong, though. It could be the other option.

Response to rug (Reply #47)

LeftishBrit

(41,257 posts)
32. This isn't the 'believers' group; this is the religion discussion group
Mon May 19, 2014, 04:37 PM
May 2014

The believers' group would be the Interfaith group, or one of the various forums for specific religions/ denominations.

And no, I don't expect to 'convert' any believer into non-belief, any more than I expect to be converted to Christianity by the believers.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
38. Except that this is not the "believers" group
Mon May 19, 2014, 08:56 PM
May 2014

It is the Religion Group. Do you think it's ridiculous and inappropriate for believers to post constantly about atheists in this group? If so, you're free to tell them so.

Oh...wait.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
22. I don't practice any religion, per se. Yet was raised Catholic and remain "culturally" Catholic.
Mon May 19, 2014, 03:26 PM
May 2014

I've mentioned that here. Still scan the forum, fwiw, yet real life stuff has limited my time on DU overall. So not posting much. I'm in and out.

Serve on MIRT and LBN hosts' team. When I do post it's usually in those groups. As we move into the mid-term elections I'll likely be focusing on those as well. Just a change in focus for now.

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
53. Thanks pinto. I'm culturally a Catholic too. All those
Tue May 20, 2014, 12:32 PM
May 2014

years of Catholic education leaves its mark as much as the color of skin you were born with. So although I agree with many that the Catholic Church has been guilty of marginalizing women and gays, it doesn't mean I can accept the Catholic bashing that goes on. My Irish husband would be the first to point out the persecution the Irish went through for hundreds of years just because they clung to their Catholic faith.

I try to respect all religions and the people who believe in them and who attend church to try to be better people although I can find fault in all of them. I hope others will try to respect Catholics too in the same way.

I personally do not worship in any church or temple because I find that a hike in the wilderness gives me all the spiritual uplifting that I need.

 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
51. I have asked them to please put me as beneficiary on their life insurance policy.
Tue May 20, 2014, 11:01 AM
May 2014

That was a "crickets" discussion. The insurance companies should not get a windfall off this historic event. Going to take a lot of money to live after the chosen have just literally, up and left.

Just in case ...

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
54. To be honest I don't feel like arguing with other liberals on there. I choose to do battle with...
Wed May 21, 2014, 06:45 PM
May 2014

Rwer on that site.

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