Finally, some honesty when it comes to indocrinating kids into religion.

[cleanhippie]

[chervilant]

1. I doubt they get the irony... n/t

[rug]

2. I see you've been browsing r/atheism again.

A bastion of cool, logical reason.

[libodem]

3. Off the subject

But I had an interesting revelation yesterday. My son is here to visit. He told me Google has been deemed God. Did You KNOW and not tell me? I'm crushed.

[rug]

5. God doesn't tell me anything and half the time Google gives me the wrong answers.

[AtheistCrusader]

22. Can you blame google?

[rug]

23. Lol! "Your f key is stuck."

[MellowDem]

4. It's a place for mostly young atheists...

to vent. Not surprising, the mental torture religion puts lots of kids through makes them angry at religion.

What's funny are the privileged theists who just don't get it, and go to r/atheism and get all upset.

[rug]

6. Reddit also has a fapping subgroup.

No data on the overlap.

[libodem]

7. Does that mean what I think it does?

I hope you don't think I'm effin' with you. I was kind of serious. They have ten postulates that prove Google is God. I did not know about it. I wondered if you had been exposed to the concept because of your interest in religion and spiritual matters.

It may have been more offensive, to you than I had imagined it. Sorry. I thought it was humorous and oddly enlightening.

[rug]

8. Indeed it does. Enter at your own risk.

http://www.reddit.com/over18?dest=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2Fr%2FFapstation

Apparently there is also a no fap forum as well.

http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/

Here's an interesting article about it.

http://nymag.com/news/features/anti-masturbation-2013-4/index2.html

It was started by one Alexander Rhodes who self-identifies as an atheist.

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/65000-reddit-users-flock-to-forum-founded-by-atheist-to-quit-pornography-ma/

I will forbear from making any remark about circle jerks.

[libodem]

12. This is more what I meant

Maybe I've misunderstood who I thought you were?

. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Fun:The_Church_of_Google

[rug]

16. That's a funny, if silly, site. I found the link to the reddit subgroup.

http://www.thechurchofgoogle.org/

[libodem]

17. It is funny and silly

I'm always the last to know!

[MellowDem]

9. You seem qualified to do the research

[rug]

14. Perhaps, but I will yield to your expertise on all things reddit.

I expect you have more hands on experience with that site.

[MellowDem]

18. Nah, I expect you do...

you brought it up, after all. Sure, reddit atheism doesn't have anything to do with the OP, but apologists have to do what they gotta do to distract from the heinous institutions they support.

Then you brought up some group about fapping? I can see it now, an apologist browsing reddit atheism, getting all in a hot lather, then heading over to a fapping group for a good cleanse. Followed by posting to unrealted topics on religion of course.

I think you should delve deeper into this matter, read some more articles, and post them to any discussion topic that is critical or religion. You've made a good start. This needs some serious study, and you are very serious about it.

[rug]

19. The OP consists of a single picture taken from r/atheism.

If I were to do additional serious study it would not come from reddit.

I'll leave your fantasies about its fapping group to you.

The rest of the post stands.

[MellowDem]

20. Do you like browsing r/atheism?

What does it matter where the OP comes from? It makes a point about religion, and you didn't address it. You attack where it's from, then make a reference to masturbation and atheism.

It's like you're not even trying to discuss the OP, but to distract as much as possible. It's ok to criticize ideas, especially as terrible as childhood indoctrination, through jokes, this is a mild one by the looks of it.

[rug]

21. No, I find it to be, for the most part, shallow, juvenile and repetitive.

As to the OP, I usually don't have discussions about cartoons or caricatures.

[MellowDem]

26. Sounds like a Catholic Church service...

Just without the childhood indoctrination, and claims without evidence, and misogynistic, bigoted dogma.... Etc. etc.

But the fact that you browse a site you can't stand shows that you must be drawn to shallow, juvenile and repetitive things. Or maybe you do it for self-punishment? Or maybe it makes you angry but you can't figure out a good reason why.

I mean, an atheist haven of mostly young people where they can vent? Disgusting. I mean, how many stories of teens being pushed out of their home by their religious parents for being an atheist do we need? So boring. Or transforming personal stories about losing the mental grip of religion? So repetitive. Or news stories pointing out the hypocrisy of religion? So shallow, so juvenile.

Cartoons and caricatures are great ways of making points. It's a shame you dismiss them.

[rug]

27. This doesn't explain why I reply to your posts.

But the fact that you browse a site you can't stand shows that you must be drawn to shallow, juvenile and repetitive things. Or maybe you do it for self-punishment? Or maybe it makes you angry but you can't figure out a good reason why.

You seem to have a tender spot for r/atheism.

[MellowDem]

28. I love r/atheism...

Partly because it drives apologetic theists for terrible belief systems soooo mad they just can't stop looking at it. The dissonance must be uncomfortable to maintain for them.

But also because atheists have little to no voice in a society dominated by religion, and atheists need more forums to be open. So many are in the closet, online forums give them a place to talk.

[rug]

29. Echo chambers are not really good places to learn, let alone think.

[MellowDem]

30. So you never go to church? And what makes it an echo chamber? And why do you browse it then?

I don't junk it's an echo chamber. There are all sorts of viewpoints. By that definition, every group is an echo chamber.

[rug]

31. I often go to church. I end up at r/atheism occasionally by following links. I rarely stay long.

I am curious though. My impression is that it's antitheist. Have you come across any anti-antitheists there?

[MellowDem]

33. Some of it is...

not most that I see. Most are news stories. Much of it is concerned with separation of church and state. Most of what is usually seen as anti-theism is just criticism of various religious beliefs or dogmas, which is not anti-theism. Some of it's silly and less serious than others. Some of it is testimonial.

A church seems like it would be much more of an echo chamber. It has an established dogma, belief in which is ostensibly required for membership. That alone would make it much more of an echo chamber.

[rug]

34. It's hard to have an echo when discussing infinite things.

When it's done right, people enjoy a common journey.

[MellowDem]

35. No it's not...

Especially when it's discussed in presuppositional terms.

[rug]

36. Sure it is. An echo needs to rebound.

[MellowDem]

37. And discussions on the infinite can rebound a lot...

Especially when the answers to unfalsifiable questions are all presupposed.

[Lordquinton]

11. They have a religion subgroup as well

comments on overlap?

[rug]

15. No data.

Although there is a specific atheist connection to the no fap group.

It seems to be throwing away one of the obvious benefits of atheism.

[cleanhippie]

25. Actually, no, I wasn't. Yet you seem to know everything that gets posted there...

The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

[MellowDem]

10. Childhood indoctrination is exceedingly immoral...

Fuck all the churches that partake in it and especially fuck their apologists.

[libodem]

13. Which was the point of the discussion

In the first place. I got sidetracked with my new discovery.

[stone space]

24. My favorite pizza place in Des Moines has a weekly magic show, too.

The kids seem to like it.

[Brettongarcia]

32. For a while there was a minister on TV who had a magic show; he made bread appear in empty hats, etc

By the way there is a magician named "Jesus" in the New Testament; it is claimed that some people "mistake" Jesus for him. Likely they were originally related however. Many critics of that era, Jews, claimed Jesus was a "magician."

In fact, "Magi" were at his birth; "magi" meaning the plural of magus or wise man; which in Persia meant in effect ... magicians.