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Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:02 AM

St. Louis archbishop claims he wasn’t sure it was illegal for priests to have sex with kids

St. Louis Archbishop Robert Carlson testified last month that he wasn’t sure whether it was illegal for priests to have sex with children while he served as chancellor of the St. Paul and Minneapolis archdiocese.

The former chancellor gave a deposition last month in a lawsuit that claims the Minnesota archdiocese and the Diocese of Winona created a public nuisance by keeping information on abusive priests secret, reported Minnesota Public Radio.

The 69-year-old Carlson also faces a massive clergy abuse lawsuit in the Archdiocese of St. Louis, where he’s served as archbishop since 2009.

One document made public in that case shows more than 100 priests and church employees have been accused of sexual abuse, and the Missouri Supreme Court ordered the archdiocese to turn over their names under seal.

The Minnesota lawsuit was filed by a man who claimed a priest abused him during the 1970s, and Carlson told the plaintiff’s attorneys that his understanding of those accusations had changed over the years.

“I’m not sure whether I knew it was a crime or not,” Carlson said. “I understand today it’s a crime.”

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/06/10/st-louis-archbishop-claims-he-wasnt-sure-it-was-illegal-for-priests-to-have-sex-with-kids/


Wow. Just wow.

Jesus is proud, I'm sure.

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cleanhippie Jun 2014 OP
Botany Jun 2014 #1
rug Jun 2014 #2
Act_of_Reparation Jun 2014 #3
skepticscott Jun 2014 #4
rug Jun 2014 #5
JNelson6563 Jun 2014 #11
rug Jun 2014 #12
beam me up scottie Jun 2014 #13
madmom Jun 2014 #14
rug Jun 2014 #15
madmom Jun 2014 #16
JNelson6563 Jun 2014 #17
rug Jun 2014 #18
JNelson6563 Jun 2014 #19
rug Jun 2014 #20
JNelson6563 Jun 2014 #22
rug Jun 2014 #23
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #24
rug Jun 2014 #25
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #26
rug Jun 2014 #27
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #28
rug Jun 2014 #29
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #30
rug Jun 2014 #31
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #32
rug Jun 2014 #33
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #34
rug Jun 2014 #36
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #37
rug Jun 2014 #38
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #39
rug Jun 2014 #40
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #41
rug Jun 2014 #42
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #43
rug Jun 2014 #44
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #45
rug Jun 2014 #46
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #47
rug Jun 2014 #48
truebrit71 Jun 2014 #49
rug Jun 2014 #50
EvilAL Jun 2014 #6
Scuba Jun 2014 #7
defacto7 Jun 2014 #8
rug Jun 2014 #9
Humanist_Activist Jun 2014 #10
Prophet 451 Jun 2014 #21
trotsky Jun 2014 #35
LuvLoogie Jun 2014 #51
amuse bouche Jun 2014 #52

Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 10:09 AM

1. Old white men in funny hats telling people about what is right or wrong

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 11:19 AM

3. God's moral authority on earth unsure if it is wrong to rape a child?

Now that's a conundrum.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 01:07 PM

4. I see that the usual apologism

 

for child rape and its abetters and enablers is out in force.

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Response to skepticscott (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 10, 2014, 01:11 PM

5. Where? Are you seeing things?

 

Don't forget to link to the child rape apologetic posts you claim exist. After all, without evidence, you're simply posting fairy tales.

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Response to rug (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 12, 2014, 10:46 AM

11. Wait, what?

After all, without evidence, you're simply posting fairy tales.

Are you a closet atheist Rug? You can PM me, you know, if you need to talk or anything.

Julie--here for you

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:56 AM

12. Feel free to pm me to discuss drollery.

 

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #11)

Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:36 PM

13. lol!

You've always been there for me.

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:34 PM

14. Hey now.. you weren't supposed to catch that! ;)

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Response to madmom (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 01:43 PM

15. It took long enough to catch a softball.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #15)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:18 PM

16. Maybe some people don't spend every waking minute on DU...

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Response to madmom (Reply #16)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:23 PM

17. And even less time in Religion forum!

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 13, 2014, 11:27 PM

18. Why, there's been a thread on this in the forum you host for three days.

 

Imagine that.

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Response to rug (Reply #18)

Sat Jun 14, 2014, 12:55 PM

19. I'm always fascinated by how well you know AA content.

You follow it more closely than I do, probably more than the other AA posters! Still, I think a few of your fellow believers can give you a run for your money on that count.

It was a friendly poke rug, wtf? Laugh a little at how you so clearly set yourself up for it and move on like the rest of the human race would.

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #19)

Sat Jun 14, 2014, 06:47 PM

20. Considering your forum's thread linked to this Group, the fascination points in the other direction.

 

BTW, I am disappointed at how that thread so clearly missed the mimicry of the language.

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Response to rug (Reply #20)

Sat Jun 14, 2014, 11:35 PM

22. Ok, wow rug.

Just can't do it, eh? I'm sorry for you my dear. Bleak stuff.

Julie

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #22)

Sun Jun 15, 2014, 12:34 AM

23. You're sorry for me? How kind.

 

Although you might do better enforcing your group's sop.

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Response to JNelson6563 (Reply #11)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 11:21 AM

24. "After all, without evidence, you're simply posting fairy tales."

 

...and for the second time this week rug gets hoisted on their own petard....

Fucking brilliant!!

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 12:44 PM

25. Are you referring to this lovely exchange?

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025107392#post126



By the way, it does not surprise me that you do not recognize the usual talking points even when rubbed in your own face.

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Response to rug (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:13 PM

26. Yes, the one where you tried to be cute...

 

...and wound up with egg on your face...

Back for more?

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:27 PM

27. Are you in third grade?

 

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Response to rug (Reply #27)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:54 PM

28. More character flaw from you?

 

I am shocked, SHOCKED i tell ya'....

Lesson number one, when in a hole: Stop digging.

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #28)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 01:57 PM

29. I see you're already in a summer slide.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #29)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:05 PM

30. Condescension is a character flaw - Rug

 

So, let's just keep going with the condescension shall we?

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #30)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:05 PM

31. So is inanity.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #31)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:08 PM

32. Tell you what, why don't you answer the question I asked you yesterday...

 

... you know, about how believing in something that has ZERO proof of existence is rational, but requiring evidence isn't....

Or you could just tell us more about the fairy tales I keep hearing about...

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #32)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:12 PM

33. Almost as bad as repetitive inanity.

 

But not quite as bad as sophomore level philosophical "challenges".

The frantic use of smileys is just embarrassing.

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Response to rug (Reply #33)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:12 PM

34. So that's a no then?

 

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #34)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:23 PM

36. A glimmer of insight struggles to emerge.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #36)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:47 PM

37. So you make bold statements, and then run away when challenged..

 

Got it...

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:52 PM

38. I'm hardly runnning away. More like stepping over.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #38)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:29 PM

39. Whatever floats your boat, mate...

 

Your intellectual dishonesty does all of the talking that's needed...

Bye now!!

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:34 PM

40. Don't forget, if you do come back now your statement would be dishonest.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #40)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:50 PM

41. Because when you wave goodbye, you can't EVER come back...your intellectual dishonesty, however..

 

..is here FOREVER...

Enjoy!

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #41)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:53 PM

42. You must have missed the sign.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #42)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 03:56 PM

43. Nope, just an answer to the question you keep running from...

 

...But please do tell me more about those fairy tales of yours....

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:02 PM

44. If you are referring to this, you got an answer.

 

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10025107392#post138

Although it's oddly worded and its syntax is fucked up.

The rest of what you typed yesterday - as well as today - is simply posturing for reasons unknown, beyond that you find it reassuring.

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Response to rug (Reply #44)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:18 PM

45. No, it's trying to get an answer from a pseudo-intellectual poseur...

 

...you uses awkward syntax, and the occasional fancy word or phrase, to give the appearance to their fan club that they are smarter than they actually are, and that they are not, in fact, almost entirely full of shit.

So, you can either explain how you consider someone that believes in mythical beings as being rational, but those that require proof of the existence of said beings as irrational, or you can keep dodging the question, slink off as you did yesterday, or just come out with it and admit that you are just full of shit and can't back up what you have said.

Oh, and while we're at it, you are STILL acting like a condescending knowitall, which according to YOU, is a major character flaw.

Your best move is to just admit you have been outed, and then bugger off...

Next?

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #45)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:28 PM

46. Actually, there's a third choice.

 

I could point out the erroneous assumptions implicit in your question, then point out that telling the person to whom you're posing the question that he is full of shit (which may or may not contradict the other description of pseudo-intellectual poseur) undercuts the certainty of the question. While doing so I could also point out how unoriginal the question is, being typed simultaneously and triumphantly on hundreds of other keyboards, and could then point out how your accusation of me being a condescending knowitall (sic) is comparable to tossing a hand grenade soaked in glue.

But I won't.

I'll simply give your words back to you, "bugger off... "

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Response to rug (Reply #46)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:32 PM

47. Blah, blah, blah....

 

...and still you dodge the question...besides, you have said that "without evidence, it's just fairy tales.."

So which is it? You were wrong when you said you had to have evidence, or you were wrong when you said you DON'T need evidence..?

One last try sport, and then I'm done with you...

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #47)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 04:33 PM

48. Save yourself the effort, mate, you won't like the answer.

 

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Response to rug (Reply #48)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 06:42 PM

49. No effort on my part...

 

You're the one that looks like a tosser...

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Response to truebrit71 (Reply #49)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 07:00 PM

50. Better a tosser than a twannock.

 

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 06:37 AM

6. Unfuckingbelievable. Nt

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 01:27 PM

7. Lock him up. Cut the key.

 

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:44 PM

8. Either these guys are as sealed

in their protective secret religious mens club as much as we have guessed, complete with no recognition of reality in the outside world... OR...

..He's a liar. I wonder where Archbishops go to confess their own possibly mortal sins? Never mind, it doesn't matter anyway.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #8)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 03:50 PM

9. My bet is on liar.

 

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Wed Jun 11, 2014, 04:51 PM

10. How come, everytime my city is in the news, its for fucked up shit like this?

 

Our Archdiocese is just fucked up, oh and they released a statement about this:

ON EDIT: Dammit, wrong link, here:

http://archstl.org/commoffice/press-release/2014/archdiocese-st-louis-addresses-arch

I'll keep the second link, its the actual court document.

http://www.archspm.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/158765rcarlson05232014_Full_Redacted.pdf

Basically they are claiming that he is answering a different question entirely, while the video plainly shows otherwise.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jun 14, 2014, 07:25 PM

21. No, sorry, don't buy it

It is simply not possible to live in a modern society and not know this. He's lying.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 02:14 PM

35. Apparently this means he didn't think it was a particularly offensive sin either.

Child rape, "a crime or not?" Gee, there was just no way to know back in the dark ages of the 1970s.

And these men think they have the right to lecture everyone else - RCC member or not - on how we get to live our lives.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:13 PM

51. Wa-huh!?!?

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Fri Jun 20, 2014, 10:56 PM

52. "Wow. Just wow "

Really...this is a surprise?

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