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Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:05 AM

'We are so thankful to god': Man who was supposed to travel on missing AirAsia flight

Apparently, God says "fuck you" to 160+ passengers and families from missing plane.

An Indonesian man scheduled to travel on the missing Air Asia Indonesia flight with his family has thanked God that chance led him to cancel their tickets just a day before it disappeared.

Chandra Susanto, from Surabaya, in Indonesia, had booked seats on QZ8501 from Surabaya to Singapore, which lost contact with air aviation control at 6.17am this morning, for his wife and three children to visit his father.

'We had been planning our holiday to Singapore since March 2014 so it was a great surprise for us when we cancelled our holiday yesterday', Mr Susanto told Daily Mail Australia.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2889017/We-thankful-god-Man-supposed-travel-missing-AirAsia-flight-wife-three-young-children-cancelled-tickets-YESTERDAY-father-ill.html

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:09 AM

1. I agree with what you said

 

how arrogant of him, I guess none of the passengers or crew was worth saving.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:10 AM

2. But every last one that did die on the airplane were heathens

and had it coming.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:21 AM

3. Maybe they can learn to smile now. And I wonder what plan their God has for

his father?

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:31 AM

4. You're slipping.

 

http://www.timesofisrael.com/flight-delayed-as-haredi-men-refuse-to-sit-next-to-woman/

If you want to attack religion you're supposed to attack the actions rather than the beliefs. Isn't that how it goes?

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Response to rug (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:35 AM

5. You're incoherent.

And making personal attacks, as usual.


Now go on, feed that last-word compulsion.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #5)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:38 AM

6. Oh, the coherence is just fine.

 

I do note the irony of making accusations about personal attacks while calling another poster incoherent.

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Response to rug (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:03 PM

10. Some say that here

many others say we should challenge beliefs.

I don't believe i have seen cleanhippie say that we should attack actions and not beliefs.

Are you getting the posters confused?

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Response to edhopper (Reply #10)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:05 PM

12. Ed, it's got nothing to do with that.

It's a compulsive need to reply, not a compulsive need to be coherent.

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Response to rug (Reply #4)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:31 PM

21. Yawn.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #21)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 05:21 PM

22. .

 

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Response to rug (Reply #22)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:27 PM

25. Your content-free deflections are becoming tiresome in their predictability.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 07:31 PM

26. I'll change it up.

 

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #25)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 08:39 PM

28. It's a compulsion to have the last word/response.

Tired and predictable, yes, but still a compulsion.

And just so sad.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 11:53 AM

7. I'm confused by "thanked God that chance".

 

So a more or less random event that they cancelled their flight ('My father became ill so we had to cancel our flight') was it seems something to thank an imaginary being for causing, or not causing, as it was a random event. Being religious is very confusing. He also admits that he is "sorry" about the other 160 people who didn't have a divinely ordered random event to cause them to cancel their flights, so he is aware that there is something a bit peculiar about his situation and the alleged deity that got involved.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #7)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:02 PM

9. You keep expecting them to make sense.

Only when you realize that they will never make sense, will it make any sense at all.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #9)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:06 PM

13. It does seem that way.

 

Soon enough the Admonishment will descend on this thread to explain why we are just wrong for expecting sense.

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #13)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:08 PM

14. One already did.

But it was the usual incoherence.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:10 PM

15. Invisible admonishments!

 

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Response to Warren Stupidity (Reply #15)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:19 PM

17. Impotent is more like it.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #14)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 05:24 PM

23. Since this is the third time you said this, not that it's a compulsion, I'll tell you this.

 

Your lack of understanding is not a sign of incoherence.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:01 PM

8. Yup. Would that be the same god who plunged the plane into the ocean? nt

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Response to longship (Reply #8)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:04 PM

11. Couldn't be. God doesn't actually interfere or effect our lives.

Except when he does.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 12:18 PM

16. While I see nothing wrong with discussing this

I will give the guy a break, He does acknowledge the tragedy for the passengers and I think he is just trying to make sense of the circumstances that lead to their missing the flight.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #16)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 05:26 PM

24. Good grief. Common sense.

Can't have that.

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Response to okasha (Reply #24)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 05:52 PM

31. Can't have common sense when one's belief in a deity

 

means one has to openly thank him for not dying.

Somewhere on the internet, (the source of all truth in matters about god) I saw a post at a web site saying that these plane crashes were due to people not being or not believing in the Christian god and Jesus Christ as their savior. Yeah, I actually saw this, and of course I don't remember where but just Google Jesus and Christ and non Christians and plane crashes, I bet it comes up.

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Response to JDDavis (Reply #31)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:09 PM

33. Who said he had to?

 

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Response to rug (Reply #33)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:05 PM

48. So people that affirm a belief in something need no common sense?

 

That is what you are asking/saying?

No wonder the Roman Catholic church has succeeded for almost 1800 years. It relied upon people who didn't think common sense, (a phrase often used to mean basic logical thinking based upon evidence available, like don't stay out in the rain if you don't want to get wet, that kind of common sense, etc. etc.), was as important for people as was believing that they would burn in Hell if they didn't believe in Jesus.

No wonder this mythology lasted so long into the 21st century when the premise was that blatant.

By the way, can anyone answer why or how or under what circumstances religion is different than mythology? I think the person I am responding to made that statement yesterday or today, I don't know, but I think that bold statement was made quite recently.

So my questions are two:

1)Why would we believe in something that superceded common sense 1800 years ago, versus science today, and the lack of evidence for any virtue in religious teachings over the last 1800 years? Remember 1800 years ago, no universal education, no trains planes, even books, electricity, TV, or internet.

2) What exactly did someone who posts here mean by stating religion is different than mythology, (without giving anything like a substantial rational differentiation between the two)? No explaination given. I'm surprised that atheists here didn't challenge that assumption. Perhaps we can talk more later, but right now I have to feed two young children who are very hungry.



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Response to JDDavis (Reply #48)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:09 PM

51. Do you a need to paraphrase before answering a question?

 

Here it is, unblemished.

Who said he had to?

Rather odd reply you posted for five little words.

Now. do you think you're able to answer them?

I really have no interest in whatever other ruminations you have.

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Response to rug (Reply #51)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:16 PM

54. Oh dear, I have offended the thinking patterns of the grand marshall of

 

defence of Roman Catholicism here.

I am so sorry I offended you.

Please accept my most sincere apologies, if I misunderstood what you meant by your post.

Please explain what you meant by your title to your post, Who said he had to? without comment, without a word to read to explain your question.

Sorry if I offended or misunderstood your question/declaration/defensive statement.

As Obama has been known to say to Romney:

Please proceed.

By the way, I do not starve my children, these are not my children, my (GREAT GRAND NEPHEWS) and they had snacks all day long, and were learning how to cook pancakes and bacon and eggs at 6 pm Eastern USA time, after snacks at 4 pm.

They are 5 and 8 and want to know how to cook pancakes, but they are enmeshed in a cartoon movie now on the big screen TV, so I made popcorn and will serve them BLT's when the movie is over. Pancake lessons can be taught at 7 or 8 am just as well as now, and I have all the fixings for BLT's right here now.

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Response to JDDavis (Reply #54)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:26 PM

58. Your answers have become the verbal equivalent of falling down an escalator.

 

And as appalling.

I see you can't answer the question.

Next time I'll try to limit the question to four words.

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Response to rug (Reply #58)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:30 PM

59. Nothing changes with him!

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #59)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:35 PM

61. NO KIDDING!

 

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Response to rug (Reply #61)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:37 PM

62. .

 

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Response to rug (Reply #58)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:38 PM

63. What is your question to which you need me to respond?

 

I have about 20 comments from former students seeking recommendations to grad school or a job.

I have two little tykes entrusted to me for 24-30 hours while their parents go skiing in Vermont.

I love these little kids, and may have missed what I was supposed to respond to in your question, which I found meaningless.



By the way, the kids ate their BLT's, ate ice cream sandwiches, are now taking a shower and getting in pyjama's before 7:30 bed time with me reading them a story and maybe a board game, like Chinese Checkers, they beat me at last week. Their parents' call at 7 pm, coming soon, and they are happy and healthy, the first time I ever took care of them for a night. I guess it means my great nephew and great aunt-in-law likes me enough to leave thier kids with me for a night, even though I took care of that 28 year old as a baby a hundred times between 0 and 12.

Edited to add: how stupid, she is my great niece in law....plese excuse the stupidity about relationships of in-laws.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #64)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:56 PM

70. I am sorry, I do not understand your post

 

Please explain.

How is taking care of great nephews a "snark"?

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Response to JDDavis (Reply #70)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:03 PM

72. I meant to reply to your above post.

 

You were rather snarky to rug imo.

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Response to JDDavis (Reply #70)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:05 PM

73. I see I got alerted on. deleted it but I said he was snarky.

 

AUTOMATED MESSAGE: Results of your Jury Service
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On Fri Jan 2, 2015, 05:52 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

Your snark was never appreciated here.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=174912

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

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"Snark" Pointless insults, simply because of a difference of opinon. No explanation, no reason for abusing posters with a post like this. This is a continuous patter for this poster. Clearly outside the terms and conditions DU posters agreed to. If people have objections of disagreements with a poster's statements, please state those disagreements.. calling names, using the word "snark" as some code word for religious superiority, definitely out of bounds on DU.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:01 PM, and the Jury voted 0-7 to LEAVE IT.

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Explanation: No. No hide for you.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Explanation: Oh, for pete's sake. This is a nonsensical alert.
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Explanation: Disagree with alerter.
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Explanation: That's just too mild for me to vote to censor it.
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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #73)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:10 PM

74. !

 

Dumbass snarky alert, JD.


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Response to rug (Reply #74)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:13 PM

75. Someone can not alert for 24 hours now.

 

Was really a bad alert I self deleted before I found out it was alerted on.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #75)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:15 PM

76. Just as well. No one would be able to figure out the next alert.

 

Something about a BLT.

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Response to rug (Reply #76)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:15 PM

77. Lol. well it was a good jury.

 

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Response to edhopper (Reply #16)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 10:38 PM

79. And then there's the cultural aspects of it all.

I much prefer to the default null hypothesis, that there are no gods. However, that often does not work in the world anymore than it works here in the DU Religion Group.

So I am inclined to give this guy a pass, no matter that his argument is repugnant when one considers those who plunged to their deaths.

At least he was fortunate. Then there are the unfortunate many.

But why would an ethical person claim an ethical god as responsible for such a thing?

My regards.

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Response to longship (Reply #79)

Sat Jan 3, 2015, 12:22 AM

80. It's a mystery

Or so I've been told.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 01:37 PM

18. I have a simple system.

I blame everything bad that happens to me on God, and I congratulate myself for everything good that happens. By rigorously following this system for my entire life I've managed to get by without attaining to a single insight. I congratulate myself on that achievement -- it truly is bliss.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:01 PM

19. Ya know, I never quite understand this kind of statement.

Presumably Susanto is devout, and his religion promises that he will spend eternity in paradise after his death.

Yet he's thanking God for delaying his entry into paradise.

Huh? If the afterlife is so wonderful, why be so exited to remain here on Earth?

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 02:30 PM

20. My universal translator converts that to "Got mine, Fuck you".

Doesn't matter how he meant it. It's like being in a crowd, and some asshole starts shooting, but runs out of ammo when it was your turn. You get in front of the cameras and say 'sure glad he ran out', but it's going to sound to some people like 'sure glad he used all his bullets on other people first'.

It's a fucked up thing to say.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #20)

Mon Dec 29, 2014, 08:02 PM

27. I just think most people like

 

that goof have not really thought critically about what they believe. It's so absurd as to be offensive. Like the sickos who thought the cross at the WTC was a sign from god...who I guess had no problem watching the attack happen.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:25 AM

29. Reminds me of the book, "God's Problem"

by Bart Ehrman. Good read.

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Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:06 PM

32. Interestingly enough, the attitude that a god favors one group over another...

has actually led to one group rounding the other up to teach them a lesson. Tattooing them, taking their property, even killing them.

You may want to rethink what I'm sure you thought was an oh-so-clever retort.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:12 PM

34. Why don't you post the wording of the alert you sent?

 

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Response to rug (Reply #34)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:14 PM

35. I can't believe that was hidden.

 

Clearly it was a point to the op to get over it.

Bad result imo and I hope someone posts the results.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:17 PM

36. That's why the wording of the alert is important.

 

It's not hard at all to skew jury results depending on how the alert is phrased.

He posted his reply two minutes after the jury results.

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Response to rug (Reply #36)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:18 PM

37. I guess the alert police is in full force.

 

Yet we are the ones always accused of doing it all the time.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #37)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:52 PM

42. Meanwhile, this is just peachy.

 

You keep expecting them to make sense.

Only when you realize that they will never make sense, will it make any sense at all.

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Response to rug (Reply #42)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:54 PM

43. Yes I know.Ii expect it from him.

 

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #35)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:39 PM

38. I can't believe you said that.

So you think it's acceptable to insinuate that the criticism in the OP is of a kind with the horrors of the Holocaust? Wow.

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Response to eomer (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:41 PM

39. Fair point.

 

But i think the poster was just frustrated with these kind of posts.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #39)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:50 PM

40. If getting frustrated is justification for that sort of thing...

then prepare yourself for a wild ride.

(In other words, don't we all get frustrated with "X" kind of posts? Maybe the poster with the hide is the one who needs to "get over it".)

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Response to eomer (Reply #40)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:52 PM

41. Or maybe posts like this are only done to insult believers here.

 

The man thanked God for being alive. Not a crime you know.

I think the hide was bogus.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #41)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:58 PM

45. There are plenty of ways to disagree or complain about the OP...

...that don't insinuate that it's of a kind with the horrors of the Holocaust. Like the way you just did, for example. There's a reason why your criticism of it wont get hidden (rightly so) and that the other one did get hidden. That other one was clearly out of bounds. It's shocking to me that that isn't obvious to you.

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Response to eomer (Reply #45)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:03 PM

47. Well i stand by my view it was a bad hide.

 

The op could have rebutted.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #47)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:06 PM

49. Not surprised at all that you do. n/t

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Response to eomer (Reply #49)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:07 PM

50. Wait, first you say you are suprised then you say your not.

 

Which is it?

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #50)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:13 PM

52. Two different things.

I was shocked that anyone would find the hidden post acceptable.

But I'm not surprised that you in particular would stand by something once you've taken a public position on it.

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Response to eomer (Reply #52)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:15 PM

53. I stand by it was a bogus hide and it was.

 

If posters didn't like it they could have just responded to it.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #53)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:20 PM

56. Right, lumping things in with horrors of the Holocaust is okay in your opinion.

I think I've got it.

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Response to eomer (Reply #56)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:22 PM

57. Not what I said but whatever.

 

Have a good weekend.

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Response to hrmjustin (Reply #57)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:33 PM

60. I don't see any other way to take the hidden post,

but always willing to entertain that I'm missing something.

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Response to eomer (Reply #38)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 06:56 PM

44. Which of course is not what he said at all.

 

But since he won't post the alert, it's good to get the flavor of it.

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Response to rug (Reply #44)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:03 PM

46. He said he can't believe it was hidden.

I took that to mean he thought the hidden post was acceptable. I stand by that interpretation unless somebody (preferably Justin) can tell me something else it could reasonably mean.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #32)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:16 PM

55. Never mind. Here is the alert, shimmering in all its disingenuity.

 

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is not mockery, this is intentional racial and ethnic bias. Making fun of people who have different beliefs than Christians or other religions or non-believers is not appropriate here on DU.

"intentional racial and ethnic bias"

Pavlov would be proud.

I thought the "making fun of people. . . . is not appropriate here" was a nice touch.

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Response to rug (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:45 PM

65. OK, you forgot to admit you were wrong about the alerter being trotsky.

Because that's obviously not trostky. In fact the alerter seems to have misunderstood the post and alerted based on thinking the post was the opposite of what it really was (missing the sarcasm in other words).

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Response to eomer (Reply #65)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:52 PM

68. I'm not certain who the alerter is.

 

I have my thoughts.

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Response to eomer (Reply #65)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 08:00 PM

71. In that case, an honorable person

would come forward, admit his mistake, and apologize. Don't you agree?

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Response to okasha (Reply #71)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 09:27 PM

78. Yes, I agree.

And I would think they'd want to in order to not be misunderstood as well.

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Response to rug (Reply #55)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:46 PM

66. That alert is a blatant lie.

Is there a mechanism for appealing a bogus hide like this?

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Response to okasha (Reply #66)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:48 PM

67. Only one hide was overridden on du3 so no.

 

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Response to okasha (Reply #66)

Fri Jan 2, 2015, 07:54 PM

69. No, but admin should be notified. They know who sent the alert.

 

What triggers action is either something really egregious or a pattern of disruption.

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