Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search
 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 06:51 PM Jan 2015

I was born Christian. If that makes Rupert Murdoch my responsibility, I'll auto-excommunicate.

JK Rowling tweet:


I was born Christian. If that makes Rupert Murdoch my responsibility, I'll auto-excommunicate. http://ow.ly/H7Eps


JK Rowling attacks Murdoch for tweet blaming all Muslims for Charlie Hebdo deaths
Peaceful Muslims are no more responsible for terror than I am for Murdoch, says Harry Potter author



JK Rowling, author of the Harry Potter books, has condemned and mocked the tweet from Rupert Murdoch which insisted that even peaceful Muslims must bear responsibilities for jihadi attacks.



http://www.theguardian.com/books/2015/jan/11/jk-rowling-condemns-murdoch-tweet-charlie-hebdo-harry-potter-news-corp-muslims-christian
34 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
I was born Christian. If that makes Rupert Murdoch my responsibility, I'll auto-excommunicate. (Original Post) NYC_SKP Jan 2015 OP
Heard that today on one of my Sirius Progressive channel shows, forget which one randys1 Jan 2015 #1
Well done. I would hope that Aziz would never, ever need Murdoch. cbayer Jan 2015 #3
Yes! I love Aziz on Parks and Rec. Here's a Salon story about him and JK Rowling: NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #4
Have you ever seen his standup? cbayer Jan 2015 #6
Not yet... NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #7
Be prepared to die laughing. cbayer Jan 2015 #8
Screw Murdoch. cbayer Jan 2015 #2
Murdoch and others who hide the truth have much to gain from all of this. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #5
How is someone born Christian? braddy Jan 2015 #9
I think she meant infant baptized and raised Christian. hrmjustin Jan 2015 #10
It's easy nichomachus Jan 2015 #11
Yep, religious privilege at work... MellowDem Jan 2015 #13
Anybody can choose to become a Christian, but you cannot be born one. braddy Jan 2015 #14
I agree... MellowDem Jan 2015 #27
I don't know what "the privilege of religion" means, or what it meant in regards to your post. braddy Jan 2015 #31
It means religion gets advantages and special rights... MellowDem Jan 2015 #32
I still don't get how that relates to someone not being able to be born a Christian? braddy Jan 2015 #33
It relates to the phrase... MellowDem Jan 2015 #34
One is "born human" JDDavis Jan 2015 #12
If the woman feels she was born a christian, who is anyone to say that she is wrong. cbayer Jan 2015 #17
More honest tweet: "I was born atheist but indoctrinated into Christianity by my parents..." cleanhippie Jan 2015 #15
Jealous? Can't indoctrinate? NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #16
Awww, how cute. Bless your heart. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #18
Ya gotta love the term "auto-excommunicate"! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #19
Oh, that's just so precious. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #23
I'm glad for you! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #24
You wake up in it? cleanhippie Jan 2015 #28
I wake up in my happy place, in a good mood. Sorry for any misunderstanding. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #29
Whatever floats your boat, dude. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #30
And I was born a Dodgers fan. Iggo Jan 2015 #20
Cast out those demons! NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #21
LOL. Iggo Jan 2015 #25
I'm still not over it. NYC_SKP Jan 2015 #26
+1 pinto Jan 2015 #22

randys1

(16,286 posts)
1. Heard that today on one of my Sirius Progressive channel shows, forget which one
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 06:54 PM
Jan 2015

Aziz Ansari also spoke out, which is dangerous for him as he may need fox someday




“Are you responsible for the evil shit all Christians do or just the insane amount of evil you yourself contribute to?” the comedian tweeted in response to Murdoch’s analysis of the terror attack on Charlie Hebdo in Paris. “Rupert Murdoch is responsible for all pedophilia committed by anyone Catholic. Rupert Murdoch, why are you pro-pedophile?”


https://tv.yahoo.com/news/parks-recreation-star-aziz-ansari-rips-pro-pedophile-171725303.html

VERY big kahooneys on this one, talk about biting the hand that might have fed you someday, but willing to do so to do the right thing

Spike Lee would be proud, probably is

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
3. Well done. I would hope that Aziz would never, ever need Murdoch.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 06:58 PM
Jan 2015

He's brilliant and I think he will have lots of opportunities.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
4. Yes! I love Aziz on Parks and Rec. Here's a Salon story about him and JK Rowling:
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:01 PM
Jan 2015
http://www.salon.com/2015/01/12/j_k_rowling_and_aziz_ansari_hit_back_brilliantly_at_murdoch/

Monday, Jan 12, 2015 08:15 AM PST

J.K. Rowling and Aziz Ansari hit back brilliantly at Murdoch

The author and the actor take aim at Murdoch's claim Muslims "must be held responsible"
Mary Elizabeth Williams



Whatever your race, religion, gender, or orientation, there are certain things almost everyone with a functioning human brain can agree on. Like the idiocy of Rupert Murdoch. Look how he brings people together!

On Twitter this weekend, two different high profile critics of the media baron/garbage idea generator deftly shut down his response to the brutal terror attacks in Paris, and his observation that “Maybe most Moslems peaceful, but until they recognize and destroy their growing jihadist cancer they must be held responsible.” Murdoch then doubled down on his comment, asserting, “Big jihadist danger looming everywhere from Philippines to Africa to Europe to US. Political correctness makes for denial and hypocrisy.”

Not that anyone expects thoughtful, non-baiting commentary from Rupert Murdoch, but his remarks nonetheless drew a collective gasp across the Internet, a rightful shock at their insensitivity in the wake of tragedy. But it was author J.K. Rowling who first notably rushed to demolish Murdoch’s argument, as she retorted, “I was born Christian. If that makes Rupert Murdoch my responsibility, I’ll auto-excommunicate.” She then added, to a tweeter who facetiously said, “I personally never stop apologizing for the crusades,” “The Spanish Inquisition was my fault, as is all Christian fundamentalist violence. Oh, and Jim Bakker.” And Rowling gets special butt kicking points because she didn’t just go gunning for Murdoch – she took a moment to reply to a rando troll with a US flag avatar and sixty followers who tried to assert that “a real Gryffindor would speak out against terrorists,” telling the user, “Smart move, choosing to make your argument by referencing themes in Harry Potter. Keep that up, you’re bound to win!” I’m just going to go ahead and store this entire episode in my mental box of “Why J.K. Rowling continues to be a hero to my kids and me.”

But Rowling wasn’t alone in her disgust for Murdoch — God knows that’s a sizeable club. When Murdoch, perhaps feeling a bit more generous in his assessment of at least one of the millions of Muslims in the world, tweeted Sunday, “Extraordinary scenes in Paris today, but do not forget the heroic sacrifice of Ahmed Merabet, Muslim police officer whose funeral was today,” Aziz Ansari shot back, “Quit back peddling you racist piece of sh_t.” And in response to Murdoch’s previous claim that Muslims “be held responsible,” he asked, “Rups can we get a step by step guide? How can my 60 year old parents in NC help destroy terrorist groups? Plz advise.” Then going into full fury mode, he continued, “Are you responsible for the evil shit all Christians do or just the insane amount of evil you yourself contribute to?… @rupertmurdoch is responsible for all pedophilia committed by anyone Catholic. @rupertmurdoch why are you pro-pedophile … @rupertmurdoch is Christian just like Mark David Chapman who shot John Lennon. Why didn’t Rupert stop it? #RupertsFault … .@rupertmurdoch Are you responsible for the evil shit all Christians do or just the insane amount of evil you yourself contribute to? To be clear, I am not religious and have nothing against Christians or Muslims, just ignorance like what @rupertmurdoch is spreading.” And with that, the brilliant hashtag #RupertsFault bloomed, laying at the mogul’s feet responsibility for everything terrible from Uber surge pricing to Panda Express to the popularity of “The Big Bang Theory.” Well done, Twitter, well done.

More at link: http://www.salon.com/2015/01/12/j_k_rowling_and_aziz_ansari_hit_back_brilliantly_at_murdoch/



cbayer

(146,218 posts)
6. Have you ever seen his standup?
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:13 PM
Jan 2015

He is one of my most favorite stand up comics ever.

He really reminds me of my son in law, who is pakistani. They have similar mannerisms and very similar senses of humor.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. Screw Murdoch.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 06:55 PM
Jan 2015

The right wing would like nothing better than to make this an all out holy war. That's what we did after 9/11 and that is why so many of the underlying problems have escalated.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
5. Murdoch and others who hide the truth have much to gain from all of this.
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 07:07 PM
Jan 2015

The history of events that created the fanatical extremists does not flatter Western powers.

And current powers that be have much to gain from an endless war.

I wish some of us would stop helping them.

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
11. It's easy
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:21 PM
Jan 2015

If you manage to say the words of baptism just as the mother's water breaks, the fetus is baptized just prior to birth.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
27. I agree...
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:12 PM
Jan 2015

It's only the privilege of religion that makes it sound "normal" to society at large.

 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
31. I don't know what "the privilege of religion" means, or what it meant in regards to your post.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:03 PM
Jan 2015
 

braddy

(3,585 posts)
33. I still don't get how that relates to someone not being able to be born a Christian?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 08:56 PM
Jan 2015

I don't know know how that relates to my post, if anything, saying, or thinking that someone can be born a Christian, is a secular idea, I think that Jews and Muslims are thought to be born into the religion, but not Christians since it is something that someone has to be themselves internally, it can't be imposed, or passed on.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
34. It relates to the phrase...
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 09:21 PM
Jan 2015

You rarely hear about supply-side children or being born conservative except tongue in cheek maybe.

It's the idea that indoctrination of children into a religion is so normalized and tolerated that whatever religion the parents are, the child automatically is as well. It's the privilege of religion in society that allows this non-sensical idea to be widespread and embraced, and any criticism of such practices to be "rude".

We never hear that most members of almost any religion are there through childhood indoctrination. We never hear that most growth of religions that are growing is through birth rates and childhood indoctrination.

After all, who wants to think that they're part of a belief system that relies almost exclusively on childhood indoctrination and social pressure to keep its numbers where they are?

 

JDDavis

(725 posts)
12. One is "born human"
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:36 PM
Jan 2015

No other designations need apply, certainly no religious affiliations. Ethnicity designations may be assigned, (but are societal assignations, not real), and then there's the circumstances of birth, (born to a rich family or not, etc.)

No human is born other than "human".

One human being is only responsible for being one's self. No human being is responsible for some other idiot with stupid ideas or a mind set on destruction for whatever reason, (religious, political, psychotic, etc.)

Again, religion, is making stuff up. To ask followers of the Islamic faith to speak up and take responsibility for ISIS, Al Qaeda, etc. is as stupid as to ask Christians to speak up and take responsibility for the KKK, Oklahoma City bombing, etc.

See how it is religions that divide humans born human into so many different tribes?

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
17. If the woman feels she was born a christian, who is anyone to say that she is wrong.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:48 PM
Jan 2015

If she says she was born gay or into the wrong body or with an aversion to eggs, that's pretty much her business and her call.

People are born lots of things. It's called identity and when someone begins to claim various parts of that identity can vary a great deal and is sometimes hard to identify.

I do agree with you about how one can not hold all members of a specific faith (or non-faith) responsible for the actions of some of it's members.

Religion does divide people into different tribes and some of those tribes claim identities that include "not religious".

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
15. More honest tweet: "I was born atheist but indoctrinated into Christianity by my parents..."
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:18 PM
Jan 2015

"I was born atheist but indoctrinated into Christianity by my parents. If that makes Rupert Murdoch my responsibility, I'll auto-excommunicate."


 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
16. Jealous? Can't indoctrinate?
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:38 PM
Jan 2015

Actually, atheists CAN and DO indoctrinate!

It starts with Foisting!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
19. Ya gotta love the term "auto-excommunicate"!
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 01:44 PM
Jan 2015

I might rec my own post just over that delightful term!

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
24. I'm glad for you!
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 02:42 PM
Jan 2015

You seem to have found your "happy place" today!

I try to find mine every day, sometimes I wake up in it and other times I can't seem to find it.



Puppies help! My puppy teaches me every day to stop and smell the roses or, in her case, whatever's on the ground.

Other times life brings me treats, like this morning.

Chatting on the phone with my dear friend Barbara I was watching the waves and there was a dolphin, and then two.

I watched while we talked and then saw the pair's bodies through the water, inside a tall wave that was breaking, their entire bodies!

Like this, except just two of them:



 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
29. I wake up in my happy place, in a good mood. Sorry for any misunderstanding.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 03:25 PM
Jan 2015

Last edited Tue Jan 13, 2015, 04:44 PM - Edit history (1)

I'm not sure what you mean by "sounds gross", unless you don't like being in a happy and positive mood.

Sincerely, is that a challenge for you?

I'd be happy to help if you feel you might be suffering unnecessarily from a condition that's keeping you down.



Edit spelling in subject line.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
21. Cast out those demons!
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 01:55 PM
Jan 2015

I don't think you can auto-excommunicate from a ball club.

Iggo

(49,928 posts)
25. LOL.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 02:44 PM
Jan 2015

It's possible, but it takes some time.

Rams and Raiders left in '96. I didn't get over it 'til well after 2000.

 

NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
26. I'm still not over it.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 02:56 PM
Jan 2015

I refuse to get over it.

Give me a team that stays in one frackin place!

Hell, even the niners started playing home games out of town!

Latest Discussions»Issue Forums»Religion»I was born Christian. If ...