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Sat Jan 17, 2015, 11:53 AM

Pope, in Philippines, says same-sex marriage threatens family

Appealing to the traditional values of Filipino Catholic families, Pope Francis made one of his strongest calls as pope against movements to recognize same-sex unions as marriage. "The family is also threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage," the pope said Jan. 16, hours after warning that Philippine society was "tempted by confusing presentations of sexuality, marriage and the family."

"As you know, these realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces which threaten to disfigure God's plan for creation and betray the very values which have inspired and shaped all that is best in your culture," he said. Pope Francis made his remarks at a Mass in Manila's cathedral and then at a meeting with families in the city's Mall of Asia Arena.

At the latter event, the pope called on his listeners to resist "ideological colonization that threatens the family." The Vatican spokesman, Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, said later that the pope was referring to same-sex marriage, among other practices.

The pope's comments came less than a week after a speech to Vatican diplomats in which he criticized "legislation which benefits various forms of cohabitation rather than adequately supporting the family for the welfare of society as a whole," saying that such legislation had contributed to a widespread sense of the family as "disposable."

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1500200.htm


How's that new Pope-y Change-y thing working out again?

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Reply Pope, in Philippines, says same-sex marriage threatens family (Original post)
cleanhippie Jan 2015 OP
riversedge Jan 2015 #1
cleanhippie Jan 2015 #3
skepticscott Jan 2015 #5
Cartoonist Jan 2015 #2
skepticscott Jan 2015 #4
edhopper Jan 2015 #6
Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #7
niyad Jan 2015 #8
cleanhippie Jan 2015 #9
niyad Jan 2015 #10
edhopper Jan 2015 #11
Htom Sirveaux Jan 2015 #12
edhopper Jan 2015 #13
Htom Sirveaux Jan 2015 #14
edhopper Jan 2015 #15
Htom Sirveaux Jan 2015 #16
edhopper Jan 2015 #17
Htom Sirveaux Jan 2015 #18
edhopper Jan 2015 #19
AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #20
rug Jan 2015 #21

Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 11:56 AM

1. well Francis--you are wrong on this one. enough said.

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Response to riversedge (Reply #1)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 12:12 PM

3. I highly doubt we will hear from any of our resident Pope defenders.

They come out in droves when he says something they like, though.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #3)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:16 PM

5. You mean like

 

"we should help the poor"? Such a revolutionary and radical statement warrants endless fawning praise, don't you think? Even in the face of rabid and unending attempts to deprive an entire class of human beings of their full and equal rights.

ButůSOUP KITCHENS!!!

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 12:12 PM

2. these realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces

First, I strongly disagree with the word "realities"
Second, I totally agree with the phrase "powerful sources"

Let me list some:

1) Human Decency
2) Justice
3) Love
4) Equal Rights
5) Reality, the real thing

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:14 PM

4. And of course, the wonderpope didn't have the courage

 

to actually say explicitly what he meant. He let one of his lapdogs have the spotlight for that, and stuck with vague bullshit in his own statements rather than say anything he'd actually have to own up to. Disgusting.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:45 PM

6. Hey Frank

Go fuck yourself.

I guess Scalia and Thomas just got their marching orders from the only authority they respect. (cause they don't repect the Constitution)

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:55 PM

7. What?! I was told Pope Wonderful was practically perfect in every way!

 

Just like Mary Poppins.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:14 PM

8. waiting for his usual defenders in 3. . . 2. . . .1. . .

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Response to niyad (Reply #8)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:18 PM

9. Unless it's to tell us that we're misinterpreting his words, I think they will be quite silent.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #9)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:21 PM

10. I think you are correct.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:25 PM

11. The posters so far

seem to be unreservedly hostile to the Pope. Don't you know you are suppose to just disagree with him when he is wrong and applaud him when he says something right.

A Poll here said so.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #11)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:36 PM

12. What's really weird is that a thread of yours just popped up

where you did give props to the Pope when you thought he deserved it (the Cuba deal thread). So I'm not sure what the problem is here. You're clearly not "unreservedly hostile" if that idea bothers you. And what's so wrong with being "unreservedly hostile" if you think the person deserves it, anyway?

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Response to Htom Sirveaux (Reply #12)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 03:24 PM

13. I think your Poll was bullshit

and issues with the Pope are much more nuanced than your four choices.
My response here was just a little joke at your expense.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #13)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 03:37 PM

14. I've noticed that jokes like that tend to have an extended life span in this forum.

So how long can I expect to hear about this?

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Response to Htom Sirveaux (Reply #14)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:11 PM

15. How long will the Pope say

Dumb shit?

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Response to edhopper (Reply #15)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:29 PM

16. Why do I deserve to be teased for as long as you think

the Pope is saying dumb shit? I'm not the Pope, and I reject the Pope's views on many things, gays and women among them.

Let's not go this route. Up until now you and I haven't had any quarrel with each other. I'd prefer that didn't change.

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Response to Htom Sirveaux (Reply #16)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:36 PM

17. I'm just taking the piss

Your poll was just yesterday. I would have probably let it go by now, but this thread just let me have a giggle about it.
I'll leave it alone now.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #17)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:43 PM

18. Thank you, I appreciate that.

I like to think I have a sense of humor, but meaning can be hard to tell on the internet.

We're cool as far as I'm concerned. Moving on...

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Response to Htom Sirveaux (Reply #18)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 05:11 PM

19. Yeah

It is hard to get across tone in posts.
Posts just meant to be funny can often sound harsh.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 06:06 PM

20. Fuck the pope.

He's just a normal mammal, and his imaginary friend doesn't exist.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Sat Jan 17, 2015, 07:01 PM

21. He's incompetent to speak to civil marriage laws in the Phillippines or anywhere.

 

Sorry to interrupt this engrossing and informative thread. Carry on.



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