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cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 11:53 AM Jan 2015

Pope, in Philippines, says same-sex marriage threatens family

Appealing to the traditional values of Filipino Catholic families, Pope Francis made one of his strongest calls as pope against movements to recognize same-sex unions as marriage. "The family is also threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage," the pope said Jan. 16, hours after warning that Philippine society was "tempted by confusing presentations of sexuality, marriage and the family."

"As you know, these realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces which threaten to disfigure God's plan for creation and betray the very values which have inspired and shaped all that is best in your culture," he said. Pope Francis made his remarks at a Mass in Manila's cathedral and then at a meeting with families in the city's Mall of Asia Arena.

At the latter event, the pope called on his listeners to resist "ideological colonization that threatens the family." The Vatican spokesman, Jesuit Father Federico Lombardi, said later that the pope was referring to same-sex marriage, among other practices.

The pope's comments came less than a week after a speech to Vatican diplomats in which he criticized "legislation which benefits various forms of cohabitation rather than adequately supporting the family for the welfare of society as a whole," saying that such legislation had contributed to a widespread sense of the family as "disposable."

http://www.catholicnews.com/data/stories/cns/1500200.htm


How's that new Pope-y Change-y thing working out again?
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Pope, in Philippines, says same-sex marriage threatens family (Original Post) cleanhippie Jan 2015 OP
well Francis--you are wrong on this one. enough said. riversedge Jan 2015 #1
I highly doubt we will hear from any of our resident Pope defenders. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #3
You mean like skepticscott Jan 2015 #5
these realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces Cartoonist Jan 2015 #2
And of course, the wonderpope didn't have the courage skepticscott Jan 2015 #4
Hey Frank edhopper Jan 2015 #6
What?! I was told Pope Wonderful was practically perfect in every way! Arugula Latte Jan 2015 #7
waiting for his usual defenders in 3. . . 2. . . .1. . . niyad Jan 2015 #8
Unless it's to tell us that we're misinterpreting his words, I think they will be quite silent. cleanhippie Jan 2015 #9
I think you are correct. niyad Jan 2015 #10
The posters so far edhopper Jan 2015 #11
What's really weird is that a thread of yours just popped up Htom Sirveaux Jan 2015 #12
I think your Poll was bullshit edhopper Jan 2015 #13
I've noticed that jokes like that tend to have an extended life span in this forum. Htom Sirveaux Jan 2015 #14
How long will the Pope say edhopper Jan 2015 #15
Why do I deserve to be teased for as long as you think Htom Sirveaux Jan 2015 #16
I'm just taking the piss edhopper Jan 2015 #17
Thank you, I appreciate that. Htom Sirveaux Jan 2015 #18
Yeah edhopper Jan 2015 #19
Fuck the pope. AtheistCrusader Jan 2015 #20
He's incompetent to speak to civil marriage laws in the Phillippines or anywhere. rug Jan 2015 #21

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
3. I highly doubt we will hear from any of our resident Pope defenders.
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jan 2015

They come out in droves when he says something they like, though.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
5. You mean like
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:16 PM
Jan 2015

"we should help the poor"? Such a revolutionary and radical statement warrants endless fawning praise, don't you think? Even in the face of rabid and unending attempts to deprive an entire class of human beings of their full and equal rights.

But…SOUP KITCHENS!!!

Cartoonist

(7,309 posts)
2. these realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 12:12 PM
Jan 2015

First, I strongly disagree with the word "realities"
Second, I totally agree with the phrase "powerful sources"

Let me list some:

1) Human Decency
2) Justice
3) Love
4) Equal Rights
5) Reality, the real thing

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
4. And of course, the wonderpope didn't have the courage
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:14 PM
Jan 2015

to actually say explicitly what he meant. He let one of his lapdogs have the spotlight for that, and stuck with vague bullshit in his own statements rather than say anything he'd actually have to own up to. Disgusting.

edhopper

(33,432 posts)
6. Hey Frank
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 01:45 PM
Jan 2015

Go fuck yourself.

I guess Scalia and Thomas just got their marching orders from the only authority they respect. (cause they don't repect the Constitution)

edhopper

(33,432 posts)
11. The posters so far
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:25 PM
Jan 2015

seem to be unreservedly hostile to the Pope. Don't you know you are suppose to just disagree with him when he is wrong and applaud him when he says something right.

A Poll here said so.

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
12. What's really weird is that a thread of yours just popped up
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 02:36 PM
Jan 2015

where you did give props to the Pope when you thought he deserved it (the Cuba deal thread). So I'm not sure what the problem is here. You're clearly not "unreservedly hostile" if that idea bothers you. And what's so wrong with being "unreservedly hostile" if you think the person deserves it, anyway?

edhopper

(33,432 posts)
13. I think your Poll was bullshit
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 03:24 PM
Jan 2015

and issues with the Pope are much more nuanced than your four choices.
My response here was just a little joke at your expense.

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
14. I've noticed that jokes like that tend to have an extended life span in this forum.
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 03:37 PM
Jan 2015

So how long can I expect to hear about this?

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
16. Why do I deserve to be teased for as long as you think
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:29 PM
Jan 2015

the Pope is saying dumb shit? I'm not the Pope, and I reject the Pope's views on many things, gays and women among them.

Let's not go this route. Up until now you and I haven't had any quarrel with each other. I'd prefer that didn't change.

edhopper

(33,432 posts)
17. I'm just taking the piss
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:36 PM
Jan 2015

Your poll was just yesterday. I would have probably let it go by now, but this thread just let me have a giggle about it.
I'll leave it alone now.

Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
18. Thank you, I appreciate that.
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 04:43 PM
Jan 2015

I like to think I have a sense of humor, but meaning can be hard to tell on the internet.

We're cool as far as I'm concerned. Moving on...

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
21. He's incompetent to speak to civil marriage laws in the Phillippines or anywhere.
Sat Jan 17, 2015, 07:01 PM
Jan 2015

Sorry to interrupt this engrossing and informative thread. Carry on.



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