One Of These Photos About Religious Freedom Is Nothing Like The Others

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The Universal Declaration of Human Rights, drafted by the United Nations in 1948, states: "Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion." In many places around the world, religious identity and belief results in oppression, prison and even death.

Of course, not all freedom of religion claims are equal. Can you spot the one that is not like the others in the photos below?

Posted: 05/01/2015 6:32 pm EDT
Updated: 05/02/2015 12:59 pm EDT

An Iraqi Christian couple sit beside their fire inside their tent erected in the grounds of Mazar Mar Eillia (Mar Elia) Catholic Church, that has now become home to hundreds of Iraqi Christians who were forced to flee their homes as the Islamic State advanced in late 2014.

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A family of Rohingya Muslims stand by their makeshift tent at Dar Paing, a camp for Rohingya Muslims north of Sittwe, Rakhine state, Myanmar. More than 140,000 have been trapped in crowded, dirty camps since extremist Buddhist mobs began chasing them from their homes in 2012, killing up to 280 people.

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Saudi blogger Raif Badawi has been sentenced to 1,000 lashes for insulting Islam and is serving a 10-year jail term.

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Prison conditions are worsening for seven leaders of Iran's Bahai community, who are staying in cramped cells with poor sanitation alongside common criminals, U.S.-based relatives said. As of February 2014, at least 135 Bahais remained jailed for their beliefs.

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A pizza parlor won't bake pizza for two people in love.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/05/01/religious-freedom-photos_n_7190966.html

[uppityperson]

1. I do not understand the point of this.

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2. Serving pizza to gay people is not an infringement of religious liberty.

Imprisonment is.

[uppityperson]

9. Thank you for the clarification, I appreciate it.

Those poor christians, being forced to serve pizza. poor babies.

[beam me up scottie]

3. I don't recall lgbt rights activists claiming the suffering of victims is comparable.

[rug]

6. You have it backwards. It's the pizza parlor owners' claim.

[edhopper]

7. I thought it the other ways too

At first.

Works against the "Christians" who think bigotry should be protected.

[rug]

8. You'll remember the back story.

http://time.com/3771465/indiana-no-gay-wedding-pizza-parlor-raises-money/

What's worse is the rallying of the troops to protect the pizza parlor.

[edhopper]

12. I know the story well

The way it is phrased, it was uncertain if it was a jab at the pizza parlor or the couple.

I get it now.

[beam me up scottie]

10. That's not clear.

A pizza parlor won't bake pizza for two people in love.

Why not "pizza parlor owners who won't bake pizza for two people in love"?

[rug]

11. It's perfectly clear once you remove your meta.

[beam me up scottie]

13. Well I get confused with all the cries of religious persecution in here.

Criticism of the RCC makes one an anti-catholic bigot to some.

[LiberalAndProud]

4. Christians persecution USA-style.

Where did I put that violin?

[MisterP]

14. the fastest road to both cohesion and radicalization is when people believe they're threatened

hence the constant din, from Chick to Cruz to Robertson, of elementary-school yoga as a threat and of camps for good Christians ANY DAY NOW

[Warren Stupidity]

15. So you disagree with your Catholic Church's efforts to abolish

the contraception mandate in the ACA on grounds of religious freedom, right?

[rug]

17. Of course.

Any religion that relies on any government to civilly ebforce its doctrine has already lost the argument.

I didn't realize you had difficulty with nuance.

[Warren Stupidity]

18. but you continue to contribute money to that organization aiding its efforts.

Why?

[rug]

19. That's a trite and old argument.

Go talk to AC. That was rehashed ad nauseam last week.

Nuance, Warren. You're not getting any better at it.

[Warren Stupidity]

20. yes indeed, one that you simply have nothing substantive to refute other than special pleading.

obfuscation and diversion - not an argument.

[rug]

21. Ok, Warren, let's do it again. Are you saying any active Catholic supports homophobuia?

I'm all ears.

[Leontius]

22. And you still want active Crusades and Inquisitions.

[rug]

23. I'm lobbying for mandatory fish on Friday. And Thursdays.

But only as misdemeanors.

[Warren Stupidity]

24. The RCC is engaged today, actively, around

the world, obstructing gay rights, obstructing access to reproductive health care, and continues to be an exclusively male authoritarian institution.


But you all know that. Keep up the bullshit responses. Who the fuck do you think you are fooling?

[Fix The Stupid]

27. I'll bite. Yep, you are complicit.

If one counts themselves a member of the KKK, goes to the meetings, gives time and $$$, would you believe them when they say "I don't hate black people, and the KKK does a lot of good"?

I will say it. Any person who supports the catholic church, with time, money, etc, are complicit in their agenda against the gay community.

Where do you think their $$$ comes to fight against this progress???

From you and other people who contribute time and $$ and actively seek to be counted as 'one of them'.

It's logic. I can't see how anyone cannot see that.

Now, I honestly don't think you are a bad person Rug, I have seen you in GD fighting some good fights. You are definitely anti-war - seen you kick some ass before in GD on that note.

If I'm not being too personal, (I am , I know, sorry), I just see you as someone who was brought up in that particular faith, probably spent a vast amount of your life around it and can't come to grips with the realities of what this organization has done and is continuing to do... Sorry if that is harsh, but that is how I see it.

Hey, I was brought up catholic too. Did all that stuff, baptism, confirmation, etc. I even won the "Catholic Student' of the year award when I graduated from a catholic elementary school. I know what it was like to be brought up in that environment.
Luckily, around age 8-9 it all clicked and I realized what a sham the whole thing was. So did my parents. They came into some financial difficulties around that time and became very disillusioned. Never went to church again, except when the school sent us, once a month.

Hoping the same for you. You seem way too smart to not be able to see these things.

[mr blur]

29. Cognitive Dissonance. (nt)

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31. Do you have difficulty distinguishing between the secular and spiritual activities of a religion?

[cbayer]

16. Great way to make the point.

It is only from an extreme point of privilege that the last would in any way be considered religious persecution.

[brooklynite]

25. Actually, I'm confused about the pizza...

I thought you weren't supposed to mix milk and dairy.

[okasha]

32. Eh? Milk is dairy.

[cbayer]

33. I think he meant meat and dairy….

and I think he was confusing christians with jews, or something.

[okasha]

34. I hate to pop his little bubble,

but not even all observant Jews keep kosher.

[cbayer]

35. I only know a handful who do.

Not sure what his point was here, really.

[LiberalArkie]

26. I see 4 pictures of people suffering from religious persecution, and 1 (the last) people

causing religious persecution

[AlbertCat]

28. Religion persecutes religion

I see four pics of religious people being persecuted by other religious people.


And one of religious people persecuting people not for their religion.


Excellent reason to drop the whole religion thing altogether.

[cbayer]

30. I don't have images, but

in China, Cuba, Tajikistan, Turkmenistan, and Uzbekistan, religious activity is only lawful if explicitly authorized by the secular state. This is not religion persecuting religion.

In North Korea, the government severely restricts religious activity, except for some officially recognized groups tightly supervised by the government.

In Tajikistan the law prohibits persons under the age of 18 from participating in public religious activities.

In Turkmenistan, there have been beatings and torture of persons detained for religious reasons, including being a Jehovah's Witness.

In Eritrea, members of religious groups not sanctioned by the government face harassment and detention

In China, police detain students, monks, laypersons, and others in many Tibetan areas who called for freedom, human rights, including respect for freedom of religion.

In Uzbekistan, the government continues to imprison individuals on charges of “extremism,” raid religious and social gatherings of unregistered and registered religious organizations, confiscate and destroy religious literature, and discourage minors from practicing their faith.

http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/religiousfreedom/index.htm#wrapper

Excellent reasons to drop the whole secular government thing? Hardly. Freedom of religion and freedom from religion. Are you suggesting a change in the first amendment?

[AlbertCat]

36. Excellent reasons to drop the whole secular government thing?

How American of you!

( oh that's right, you don't even live here.)

[cbayer]

37. Er, it was sarcastic. Thought you would know that.

I'm a US citizen. That ok with you?

[AlbertCat]

38. it was sarcastic.

Oh I'm sorry.

I didn't know they did sarcasm in this group.

[cbayer]

39. Lol, some people don't do anything but sarcasm.

So, are you going to address my points? Answer my questions?

Or are you just going to snark at me and call me a liar?