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TexasTowelie

(111,938 posts)
Sun May 3, 2015, 07:59 PM May 2015

It's Debatable: Freedom 'of' or 'from' religion

This week, Arnold Loewy and Donald May (aka Mr. Conservative) debate Religious Freedom Restoration Acts. Donald has been a candidate for Congress and writes an independent blog on lubbockonline.com and Arnold is the George Killiam Professor of Law at Texas Tech University School of Law.

Donald: RFRA protects
liberty from radical minority


Liberal activists are now strongly renouncing the Religious Freedom Restoration Act (RFRA) that was signed into law in 1993 by President Bill Clinton.

The federal RFRA was enacted to protect the religious liberties of the people from the power of the politicians and the coercion of a radical minority. The 1993 RFRA bill had strong bipartisan support and passed the House unanimously and the Senate 97-3. It was the 1993 RFRA that directed our Supreme Court to protect Hobby Lobby and others from the Obamacare mandates to purchase birth control and abortion coverage in their health care policies.

The Indiana RFRA was essentially a copy of the federal 1993 RFRA, with 31 other states previously passing almost identical religious liberty protections. The left attacked the Indiana RFRA because it needed a target. The left has become intolerant of the religious liberties of the American people, which allow people to legally, personally and politically oppose same-sex marriages and unrestricted abortions on the basis of their moral beliefs. It became the intent of liberal activists that the tolerance of diverse opposing religious beliefs was to be terminated in Indiana.

While the marriage of a natural male to a natural female has been historically foundational in all current major religions, the battle to legitimize and legalize same-sex marriages has become an intense culture war with Christians as the prime target. The left can no longer tolerate any opposition to same-sex marriages and seeks to make criminals of Christians and all others who oppose them.

Continued at http://lubbockonline.com/editorials/2015-05-03/its-debatable-freedom-or-religion

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It's Debatable: Freedom 'of' or 'from' religion (Original Post) TexasTowelie May 2015 OP
No. Those aren't mutually exclusive. Goblinmonger May 2015 #1
Agree. Freedom of personal religion, freedom from state-sponsored religion. (nt) pinto May 2015 #3
Some might think corporations are people, delrem May 2015 #2
It's really freedom from IMPOSED religion meow2u3 May 2015 #4
And maybe freedom "within" religion as well. E_Pluribus_Unitarian May 2015 #5
 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
1. No. Those aren't mutually exclusive.
Sun May 3, 2015, 08:15 PM
May 2015

We, as citizens, have the (limited by the SCOTUS) freedom of religion. As citizens, we are to be free from religion as it comes from our government. Private citizens can tell me about their religion and I can listen, ignore, or tell them to fuck off. Or I can argue with them.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
3. Agree. Freedom of personal religion, freedom from state-sponsored religion. (nt)
Sun May 3, 2015, 08:32 PM
May 2015

Both are constitutional in my understanding.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
2. Some might think corporations are people,
Sun May 3, 2015, 08:26 PM
May 2015

so when these people people die and "go to heaven" they might expect a McDonald's restaurant serving a "happy meal", because McDonald's is a "person" just like they are.

No doubt such people think that corporations can and do have "religious beliefs".

meow2u3

(24,759 posts)
4. It's really freedom from IMPOSED religion
Mon May 4, 2015, 10:14 AM
May 2015

The theocratic right wants to impose their religious views on those of us who don't share their beliefs, something the First Amendment protects us against--at least in theory.

The First Amendment, in other words, protects freedom of and from religion: freedom of religion on a personal level and freedom from religion imposed by the government (or corporations, which might as well BE the government).

5. And maybe freedom "within" religion as well.
Mon May 4, 2015, 04:43 PM
May 2015

From a Unitarian Universalist perspective, liberation and variety should be key ingredients even in considering matters of ultimacy. That's a part of what we're trying to share with one another, and the larger world.

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