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Mark Twain on religion (Original Post) cleanhippie Aug 2015 OP
"In this case, the evidence is lacking." rug Aug 2015 #1
Unfortunately, there is no evidence Mark Twain said, "Religion was invented..." mrdmk Aug 2015 #2
I'd like to think that if Mr. Clemens were still alive today cleanhippie Aug 2015 #3
Says a lot about your respect for truth and honesty. Leontius Aug 2015 #4
Says even more about your lacking of both. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #5
I'm' not the one who posts support for lying and plagiarizing. Leontius Aug 2015 #7
Yes of course because people never mix up quote attributation. Promethean Aug 2015 #8
Before you jump into something you might need to know what you're talking about Leontius Aug 2015 #14
You're not? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #13
No I don't post support for lying and plagiarizing. Leontius Aug 2015 #15
You don't? Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #16
Do you have a point, if so make it. Leontius Aug 2015 #17
I've already made my point. Act_of_Reparation Aug 2015 #18
No need. You've done a great job of doing that for him. cleanhippie Aug 2015 #21
Thanks I'm more than happy that you approve of my pointing out your support of lying and Leontius Aug 2015 #23
You'd like to think so. And I'd like to UrbScotty Aug 2015 #6
Twain's writings on religion are interesting and thought-provoking struggle4progress Aug 2015 #9
Totally Agree LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #11
You "really enjoyed reading "Letters from Earth"" sammythecat Aug 2015 #19
Maybe you should read more Twain: he was, for example, extraordinarily smitten by Joan of Arc struggle4progress Aug 2015 #20
Some more from Mark Twain LostOne4Ever Aug 2015 #10
Nicely done, LostOne4Ever! beam me up scottie Aug 2015 #12
Wow! Is this Mark Twain one of those dreaded "New Atheists" I keep hearing about? trotsky Aug 2015 #22

mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
2. Unfortunately, there is no evidence Mark Twain said, "Religion was invented..."
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:05 PM
Aug 2015

The following is more likely,

"Religion began when the first scoundrel met the first fool." -- François-Marie Arouet i.e. 'Voltaire'

Here is another from Voltaire: "There are truths which are not for all men, nor for all times."






cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
3. I'd like to think that if Mr. Clemens were still alive today
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 07:08 PM
Aug 2015

He would have no problem having that quote attributed to him.

Promethean

(468 posts)
8. Yes of course because people never mix up quote attributation.
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 12:55 AM
Aug 2015

Famous quotes by famous people is a big pool and in this case we are looking at famous anti-theist misquoted as saying something from another famous anti-theist. It was corrected to Voltaire and thus the record is set straight and you feel the need to keep flinging mud. Are you saying you'd never make that kind of mistake? Are you perfect in this regard and would never mix up something like that in your remembrance? It is such a trivial mistake that these posts show a lot about you, reaching super hard to prove a non-point. Love your little vendetta don't you?

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
14. Before you jump into something you might need to know what you're talking about
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 11:54 AM
Aug 2015

It's not even about the misattribution of a quote it's about claiming that Twain would lie about it and claim it for his own in the poster opinion. This statement and other "misquotes", "misattributions" speaks for itself about this posters problem with veracity and honesty.

 

Leontius

(2,270 posts)
23. Thanks I'm more than happy that you approve of my pointing out your support of lying and
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 04:58 PM
Aug 2015

plagiarizing. It's a great testament to what passes as your morals.

UrbScotty

(23,980 posts)
6. You'd like to think so. And I'd like to
Wed Aug 26, 2015, 08:22 PM
Aug 2015

Just because you'd like to think it would be true, doesn't mean it actually would be true.

Sorry.

struggle4progress

(118,236 posts)
9. Twain's writings on religion are interesting and thought-provoking
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 02:09 AM
Aug 2015

I really enjoyed reading Letters from the Earth, Extracts From Adam's Diary, and Was it Heaven? Or Hell?

I have no idea what his actual religious views were, but he was an extraordinarily talented writer, a brilliant humorist, an acute and sympathetic observer of the human condition, and a genuine humanist with great moral sensibility

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
11. Totally Agree
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:17 AM
Aug 2015

[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]Though I would love to say he was an atheist, the truth is that I have not come across anything that proves that beyond doubt.

Given the time frame, and guessing based upon the writings I have read, he was either an atheist or a deist. I think it is most likely that he was a deist for the most part, but it is my understanding that he was bipolar and his final days were most bitter.

He probably swung from one to the other constantly.

One thing that I think can be said, is that he was a Heretic with his own sense of morality and humanism.[/font]

sammythecat

(3,568 posts)
19. You "really enjoyed reading "Letters from Earth""
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:24 AM
Aug 2015

and yet "have no idea what his actual religious views were."

Really? Not enough there that you could even make a guess?

LostOne4Ever

(9,286 posts)
10. Some more from Mark Twain
Thu Aug 27, 2015, 03:09 AM
Aug 2015

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]Nothing could be more characteristic of him. He created all those infamous people, and he alone was responsible for their conduct. Not one of them deserved death, yet it was certainly good policy to extinguish them; especially since in creating them the master crime had already been committed, and to allow them to go on procreating would be a distinct addition to the crime. But at the same time there could be no justice, no fairness, in any favoritism -- all should be drowned or none.

No, he would not have it so; he would save half a dozen and try the race over again. He was not able to foresee that it would go rotten again, for he is only the Far-Sighted One in his advertisements

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]Then at last, Noah sailed; and none too soon, for the Ark was only just sinking out of sight on the horizon when the monsters arrived, and added their lamentations to those of the multitude of weeping fathers and mothers and frightened little children who were clinging to the wave-washed rocks in the pouring rain and lifting imploring prayers to an All-Just and All-Forgiving and All-Pitying Being who had never answered a prayer since those crags were builded, grain by grain, out of the sands, and would still not have answered one when the ages should have crumbled them to sand again.

[div class="excerpt" style="margin-left:1em; border:1px solid #bfbfbf; border-radius:0.4615em; box-shadow:3px 3px 3px #999999;"]On the third day, about noon, it was found that a fly and been left behind. The return voyage turned out to be long and difficult, on account of the lack of chart and compass, and because of the changed aspects of all coasts, the steadily rising water having submerged some of the lower landmarks and given to higher ones an unfamiliar look; but after sixteen days of earnest and faithful seeking, the fly was found at last, and received on board with hymns of praise and gratitude, the Family standing meanwhile uncovered, our of reverence for its divine origin. It was weary and worn, and had suffered somewhat from the weather, but was otherwise in good estate. Men and their families had died of hunger on barren mountain tops, but it had not lacked for food, the multitudinous corpses furnishing it in rank and rotten richness. Thus was the sacred bird providentially preserved.

Providentially. That is the word. For the fly had not been left behind by accident. No, the hand of Providence was in it. There are no accidents. All things that happen, happen for a purpose. They are foreseen from the beginning of time, they are ordained from the beginning of time. From the dawn of Creation the Lord had foreseen that Noah, being alarmed and confused by the invasion of the prodigious brevet fossils, would prematurely fly to sea unprovided with a certain invaluable disease. He would have all the other diseases, and could distribute them among the new races of men as they appeared in the world, but he would lack one of the very best -- typhoid fever; a malady which, when the circumstances are especially favorable, is able to utterly wreck a patient without killing him; for it can restore him to his feet with a long life in him, and yet deaf, dumb, blind, crippled, and idiotic. The housefly is its main disseminator, and is more competent and more calamitously effective than all the other distributors of the dreaded scourge put together. And so, by foreordination from the beginning of time, this fly was left behind to seek out a typhoid corpse and feed upon its corruptions and gaum its legs with germs and transmit them to the re-peopled world for permanent business. From that one housefly, in the ages that have since elapsed, billions of sickbeds have been stocked, billions of wrecked bodies sent tottering about the earth, and billions of cemeteries recruited with the dead.


[font style="font-family:'Georgia','Baskerville Old Face','Helvetica',fantasy;" size=4 color=teal]-Letters From the Earth

And yes, this really is from Mark Twain.[/font]

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
22. Wow! Is this Mark Twain one of those dreaded "New Atheists" I keep hearing about?
Fri Aug 28, 2015, 02:26 PM
Aug 2015

Sure sounds like it! He's so disrespectful toward people's deeply-held religious beliefs!

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