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[skepticscott]

1. So where is our usual gang of apologists

to attribute all of this to "mental illness" and to argue through multiple Google searches that perpetrators shouting "Allahu Akbar" means this had absolutely nothing to do with religion?

[Yorktown]

2. Ah, but you just made the obvious mistake: it's 'political'

I mean, ideologies (like religion) never inform political choices.

Or do they?

[skepticscott]

10. The rather dim folks

who say "it's political, not religious" never seem to grasp that the reason these people seek political power is to make their own religion predominant under law or force. It's not to change the fucking tax code or the zoning laws.

Waiting too for some sick fuck to come in and argue that pointing out that religion motivates such despicable things is "trying to score points off a tragedy" and is therefore worse than the actual murders.

Oh, no...wait...maybe they're on vacation Not naming names, though. Nevertheless, I'm sure someone will be sure this applies to them and alert stalk it.

[Yorktown]

13. "trying to score points off a tragedy" is a nice way to turn the table

I so enjoy to hear it any time some religion (of peace, always of peace) kills a few people.

[Cartoonist]

15. Results

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

"Waiting too for some sick fuck to come in and argue"

"Oh, no...wait...maybe they're on vacation "

Calling DUers sick fucks ("Not naming names, though&quot is the dictionary definition of ta post that is "disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate."

How stupid does he think a jury is?

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Fri Nov 13, 2015, 07:29 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: It is one thing to say Religion needs to be scrutinized and condemned like any other idea, it is another to call out Duers and accuse them of gaming the system at a time when we are trying to clam down the alert stalking.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Not directed specifically at anyone
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Right on!
Juror #5 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Who is disrupted or hurt by this post? How stupid does the alerter think the jury is?
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Tough call. When in doubt, I generally vote to leave. I agree that it's rude but I don't think it's over the top and not a personal call-out. Sadly, if we hid every rude post, DU would cease to exist.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given

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I wonder if that alerter has now been humbled. The jury isn't dumb, the alerter is.

[skepticscott]

18. Thank you!

I hope whoever alerted on this (yes, I know who the fuck you are ) enjoys the taste of their own bitterness and impotent rage.

And I hope the jury for THIS alert (by the same person) will realize they're having their time wasted by someone with a personal vendetta, who has nothing to do but alert stalk and who takes pleasure in calling DU juries "stupid".

[AtheistCrusader]

3. Clearly Religion had nothing to do with this.

Probably just some sort of misunderstanding.

[demosincebirth]

4. Yea.

[Yorktown]

7. Religion is so misunderstood (and denigrated)

[skepticscott]

11. Yeah, it's just a land grab

Or so some rather clueless folk have tried to claim.

[struggle4progress]

5. There seems to be no shortage of fringe nitwits in our world

[Yorktown]

6. yes. Many of them have strong beliefs in god.

Allah akbar.

Boom.

[cleanhippie]

9. Funny thing is how most of them are religious.

But their religion in no way influences their behavior, amirite?

[struggle4progress]

14. Since a majority of folk seem to be religious, one should also expect

a majority of wackos to be religious -- just as one expects most wackos to be over four feet tall, since most folk are over four feet tall

I suspect very little coherent can be said regarding the motivations of wackos. It often seems to be the case that disturbed people remain disturbed when they are unable somehow to identify correctly and address effectively the underlying causes of their distress. Attacks on random strangers could be prima facie evidence of individual disturbance, since no obvious underlying analysis will lead someone with normal thought processes to believe that random strangers somehow bear responsibility for the woes of the world or for one's personal anomie; and such attacks are regularly reported in the US, without much evidence emerging that "religion is to blame"

[Cartoonist]

16. So where are all the atheist whackos?

Too busy reading their science books?

That's probably the worst apology I ever heard.

Edited to add:

And choosing random victims is definitely part of the plan. They're showing that no one is secure, not just infidels.

[struggle4progress]

17. Unless some good evidence emerges otherwise, I find no reason to believe

that the proportion of wackos among atheists differs materially from the proportion of wackos in the general population

As a trained mathematician, of course, I should very much like to believe that habitual rational thought might protect us from mental infirmity, but the evidence unfortunately does not seem to support any such hope: there are plenty enough cases of good rational thinkers experiencing some mental collapse

[skepticscott]

19. So where are all these

"Atheist wackos" who are shooting up whole cities because of their atheism?

Google is your friend...dazzle us.

[AtheistCrusader]

21. Oh, NOW you can't figure out a search engine? Convenient.

There are correlations and inverse correlations all over the place, so we don't have the full picture yet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/04/24/religion-mental-health-angry-god-brain_n_3097025.html
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-brain-food/201008/religiosity-and-neuroscience


Then there are studies that suggest religion rather than religion-less spirituality lends to mental health too.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/health/news/9774259/Spiritual-people-at-higher-risk-of-mental-health-problems.html

So, more research to do. I'm happy with the camp I chose, given early indicators though.

[Yorktown]

8. btw, live coverage

[jmowreader]

12. Something needs to be pointed out here

If fundamentalist Christians would have attacked the Castro Theatre in San Francisco, the Stonewall Inn in NYC or somewhere else People Fundies Hate in the US, or...oh, I don't know, maybe shot an abortion doctor in America while he was serving as an usher at his church, quoting Scripture as The Unwashed fell before them, we'd be sure to hear "it's not the religion, it's the people in it." To paraphrase ol' Gomer Pyle, "well, gol-LEE!"

Except for the known pacifist religions, like Buddhists and Jains, EVERY religion's sacred text contains a list of people their followers are supposed to kill. And I believe the ONLY reason this isn't more widespread in the US, is that we have a secular legal system. With someone like Ted Cruz or Ben Carson in office, someone who can't understand WHY we have separation of church and state, and all bets are off.

[AlbertCat]

20. the ONLY reason this isn't more widespread in the US,

That and the Christians did it long ago, and to each other, big time, for centuries. As science and reason came forth, it tamped it down a bit. Indeed, the idea of a secular government in America came during that age of reason.

Of course we continued to wipe out the natives....