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rug

(82,333 posts)
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:47 AM May 2016

Muslim leaders deny ISIS’ religious claims, stoking group’s anger

Death threats are a sign that Muslim religious leaders have antagonized the Islamic State, and their growing influence also contradicts those who claim that Muslim leaders have been silent in the fight against violent extremism.



Imam Suhaib Webb greets attendees before the start of a seminar. The Muslim leader in D.C. has held monthly video chats to rebut the religious claims of the Islamic State group. (DREW ANGERER/NYT)

May 8, 2016 at 6:14 pm

By LAURIE GOODSTEIN
The New York Times

As the military and political battle against the Islamic State group escalates, Muslim imams and scholars in the West are fighting on another front — through theology.

Imam Suhaib Webb, a Muslim leader in the District of Columbia, has held live monthly video chats to rebut the religious claims of the Islamic State group, also known as ISIS or ISIL. In a dig at the extremists, he broadcast from ice-cream parlors and called his talks “ISIS and ice cream.”

Sheikh Hamza Yusuf, an American Muslim scholar based in Berkeley, Calif., has pleaded with Muslims not to be deceived by the “stupid young boys” of the Islamic State. Millions have watched excerpts from his sermon titled “The Crisis of ISIS,” in which he wept as he asked God not to blame other Muslims “for what these fools amongst us do.”

It is a religious rumble that barely makes headlines in the secular West since it is carried out at mosques and Islamic conferences and over social media.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/muslim-leaders-deny-isis-religious-claims-stoking-groups-anger/

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Muslim leaders deny ISIS’ religious claims, stoking group’s anger (Original Post) rug May 2016 OP
Wrong answer Cartoonist May 2016 #1
I'm pretty sure they know their Quran. rug May 2016 #2
I'm pretty sure they know how to cherry-pick Cartoonist May 2016 #3
Yes, that must be it. rug May 2016 #4
A violent history Cartoonist May 2016 #7
I see. You didn't know of them. rug May 2016 #10
"I trust them to say what it means and what it does not mean" cleanhippie May 2016 #6
You'd take it for a nickel. rug May 2016 #9
I'd believe you, but "I trust them to say what it means and what it does not mean" cleanhippie May 2016 #16
There'd be no need for a last word if you weren't compelled to post inane, predictable horseshit. rug May 2016 #17
Just following your lead! cleanhippie May 2016 #18
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #19
Talk about predictable! cleanhippie May 2016 #24
Post removed Post removed May 2016 #21
Let's hear that agenda. rug May 2016 #22
The Crisis of Isis Jim__ May 2016 #5
Thanks for the video. rug May 2016 #11
This takes courage. potone May 2016 #8
Anti-religious bigotry and Islamophobia tend to create knee jerk reactions. rug May 2016 #12
IS and Boko Haram are both condemned by all the ulema and they spread MisterP May 2016 #13
Damn your erdudition! rug May 2016 #14
What makes their exegesis less valid than any other school of interpretations exegesis? cleanhippie May 2016 #15
What makes Hemingway better than Little Lulu? rug May 2016 #20
Hamza Yusuf is himself rather a bigot Albertoo May 2016 #23
 

rug

(82,333 posts)
2. I'm pretty sure they know their Quran.
Mon May 9, 2016, 08:59 AM
May 2016

I trust them to say what it means and what it does not mean.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
10. I see. You didn't know of them.
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:59 PM
May 2016
It deviated from mainstream Islam and was known for killing Muslims under allegations of takfir (excommunication).


Oh wait, you don't think there's such a thing as mainstream Islam. A fine example of cherry-picking.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
6. "I trust them to say what it means and what it does not mean"
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:33 AM
May 2016

I'll take "What Privileged Sheep Say" for $500, Alex.

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
16. I'd believe you, but "I trust them to say what it means and what it does not mean"
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:50 PM
May 2016

or are you contradicting yourself. Again

Have a nice day, rug. Feed that last-word compulsion if you have to. I'm done with you.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
17. There'd be no need for a last word if you weren't compelled to post inane, predictable horseshit.
Mon May 9, 2016, 03:55 PM
May 2016

Response to cleanhippie (Reply #18)

Response to cleanhippie (Reply #6)

Jim__

(14,074 posts)
5. The Crisis of Isis
Mon May 9, 2016, 11:09 AM
May 2016

About the first 1:15 is in Arabic (I'm guessing it's Arabic) then he switches to mostly English:

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potone

(1,701 posts)
8. This takes courage.
Mon May 9, 2016, 12:53 PM
May 2016

If you read the story, it is clear that these imams are risking their lives by speaking out. I am dismayed at the knee-jerk reactions of some posters on this thread. Islam--and religion itself--is not going to disappear, so shouldn't we all support those who are trying to prevent it from being used to justify violence, rather than mock them for their religion?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
12. Anti-religious bigotry and Islamophobia tend to create knee jerk reactions.
Mon May 9, 2016, 01:02 PM
May 2016

It's a very familiar scenario.

You see, some hate all religions, particularly Abrahamic religions, and have never - literally never - posted anything positive about them.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
13. IS and Boko Haram are both condemned by all the ulema and they spread
Mon May 9, 2016, 01:32 PM
May 2016

by rejecting the need for exegesis or schools of interpretation

 

Albertoo

(2,016 posts)
23. Hamza Yusuf is himself rather a bigot
Tue May 10, 2016, 12:17 AM
May 2016

Not the same kind of bigotry than ISIS. Hamza Yusuf claims that all hadiths are authentic, even though it is pretty much the hadiths which have turned Islam into a sectarian nightmare.

Hamza Yusuf also regularly de-humanizes non-Muslims in a collective 'they', bringing him to lament the fact there are McDonald's in Mecca. Why? Did the custodians of Mecca miss a surah making McDonald's haram per se? Or does Hamza Hanson see McDonald's as 'they'?

Hamza Yusuf is also not above wacky claims: in his cycle about the History of Muhamad, he supports the view that in the 6th century, Europe was more tribal than Arabia.

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