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DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
Tue May 10, 2016, 07:08 AM May 2016

A quick recap on the philosophical differences between science and religion:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1017368789

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Religion is a framework that gives you answers.
Science is a framework how to ask questions.

In religion, some things are beyond doubt.
In science, nothing is beyond doubt.

Religion gives final answers that are true.
Science is based on the notion that such a thing as a final answer doesn't even exist, because no answer can be experimentally proven to be 100% true.
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A quick recap on the philosophical differences between science and religion: (Original Post) DetlefK May 2016 OP
Ummmm nope dangin May 2016 #1
Pray tell, would you care to tell me what irks you about these statements? DetlefK May 2016 #2
Ok dangin May 2016 #4
"Strike me down with all of your hatred!" DetlefK May 2016 #5
Semantics dangin May 2016 #6
So? What is the equation and how do you know whether this is the equation? DetlefK May 2016 #7
Religion gives final answers that are "true". eomer May 2016 #3
“When someone steals a man’s clothes we call him a thief. Should we not give the same name struggle4progress May 2016 #8

dangin

(148 posts)
4. Ok
Tue May 10, 2016, 09:33 AM
May 2016

Religion is a framework that gives you answers.

No, it is mythology. There are zero objective answers in any religion or scripture.


Science is a framework how to ask questions.

Yes and no. Too simplistic.


In religion, some things are beyond doubt.

In religion, everything is in doubt. There are zero facts. The point of faith, is belief in the unprovable.


In science, nothing is beyond doubt.

All human knowledge is verifiable by science.


Religion gives final answers that are true.

Religion does not do anything resembling that.


Science is based on the notion that such a thing as a final answer doesn't even exist, because no answer can be experimentally proven to be 100% true.

Science tells us the closest thing to truths we have as a species.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
5. "Strike me down with all of your hatred!"
Tue May 10, 2016, 10:13 AM
May 2016

Gooood. Gooood. Let the anger flow through you!





Religion does provide answers. It does not provide curiosity or doubt, it provides answers. (The quality of those answers is an entirely different topic.)
And that is the big difference to the scientific method: Science does not give you answers. Science gives you a framework how to find the questions that eventually allow you to find the answers on your own.

In religion, not doubting certain things is mandatory.
In science, doubting is mandatory, because knowledge isn't actually always experimentally verifiable.

Example: What are the odds for heads and tails at a coin-toss? 50:50? I just tossed a coin two times and the result was 100:0. Should I toss it 10 times? 100 times? 1000 times?
Actually, to get the theoretical result I would have to repeat the experiment infinite times. If I repeat the experiment less than infinite times, there is always a probability that my outcome is different from the theoretical outcome. The experimental results match the theoretical results only if I redo the experiment infinite times. Because the laws of statistics say so.

Well, the answers you get from within religion are true within religion.
Science brings knowledge, but always and every time with the caveat that we haven't reached the end of our search. The last step of the scientific method: Test what you have just found out with yet another experiment. Because you mathematically cannot know for sure whether you have been right or wrong all along.

dangin

(148 posts)
6. Semantics
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:02 AM
May 2016

Religion provides no answers even within its own context because each person can interpret it differently.

Why do objects fall to earth and what equation explains it?

Hey look, an answer. A fact.

Wow.

DetlefK

(16,423 posts)
7. So? What is the equation and how do you know whether this is the equation?
Tue May 10, 2016, 11:07 AM
May 2016

You wanna science? Let's science! Come at me, bro!

eomer

(3,845 posts)
3. Religion gives final answers that are "true".
Tue May 10, 2016, 08:26 AM
May 2016

You forgot the scare quotes. Or else the sarcasm thingie.

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
8. “When someone steals a man’s clothes we call him a thief. Should we not give the same name
Tue May 10, 2016, 01:09 PM
May 2016

to one who would clothe the naked and does not? The bread in your cupboard belongs to the hungry man who needs it; the shoes rotting in your closet belong to the man who has no shoes; the money which you hoard belongs to the poor. You are not making a gift of your possessions to the poor man; you are handing over to him what is his.” --- St. Basil the Great

“Religion” is a vague word that means different things to different people

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