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Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:50 AM

 

A question for those on the Religious Right still supporting Trump: "Who would Jesus grope?"

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Reply A question for those on the Religious Right still supporting Trump: "Who would Jesus grope?" (Original post)
stone space Oct 2016 OP
Portland_Anni Oct 2016 #1
trotsky Oct 2016 #2
stone space Oct 2016 #3
trotsky Oct 2016 #4
stone space Oct 2016 #5
trotsky Oct 2016 #6
stone space Oct 2016 #7
trotsky Oct 2016 #8
stone space Oct 2016 #9
muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #10
stone space Oct 2016 #12
muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #14
trotsky Oct 2016 #18
trotsky Oct 2016 #20
stone space Oct 2016 #21
trotsky Oct 2016 #22
stone space Oct 2016 #26
cleanhippie Oct 2016 #23
stone space Oct 2016 #27
rug Oct 2016 #11
muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #13
rug Oct 2016 #15
muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #16
rug Oct 2016 #17
muriel_volestrangler Oct 2016 #19
rug Oct 2016 #25
Brettongarcia Oct 2016 #24

Response to stone space (Original post)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:55 AM

1. Trump worships at the false idol that is his nasty little penis.

His favorite call to prayer is,"let us prey."

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:02 AM

2. You have no clue about their mindset if you think that question would matter to them.

Hillary Clinton might as well be the anti-Christ to them. Even prominent figures in the Catholic church have made sure to note that because of her support for abortion rights, she CANNOT be elected. Period. If the choice is between a Candidate A who they think will outlaw abortion versus Candidate B who wants to kill babies, it doesn't matter what else Candidate A does, they'll vote for that person.

Because their religion teaches them that abortion is murdering babies, and that's that.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:04 AM

3. Who would Jesus grope?

 

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Response to stone space (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:06 AM

4. You have no clue about their mindset if you think that question would matter to them. n/t

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Response to trotsky (Reply #4)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:07 AM

5. I'm trying to gain some insight into your mindset, here.

 

Who would Jesus grope?



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Response to stone space (Reply #5)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:11 AM

6. Go back and read your question.

Here, I'll make it super duper easy for you by copying it. You said:

A question for those on the Religious Right still supporting Trump: "Who would Jesus grope?"

Considering I am not a member of the Religious Right, nor do I support Drumpf, nor do I believe the person called "Jesus" ever existed, your question has absolutely no meaning for me.

So if you're trying to make some kind of point, good luck with that.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #6)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:23 AM

7. The Religous Right is neither.

 

Is that what you are saying?

A question for those on the Religious Right still supporting Trump: "Who would Jesus grope?"

Considering I am not a member of the Religious Right, nor do I support Drumpf, nor do I believe the person called "Jesus" ever existed, your question has absolutely no meaning for me.


I asked the same question of them that I asked of you.

Are you telling me that they don't give a shit about what Jesus would or would not do, either?

And they dare to call themselves Christian???

WTF???





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Response to stone space (Reply #7)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:31 AM

8. *sigh*

Once again.

Those Christians believe in a version of Jesus who hates homosexuality, abortion, etc. Other Christians believe in a version of Jesus who is OK with those things, but hates other stuff. Since this Jesus fellow never actually wrote anything himself to indicate what he thought, if anything, there is really no way to know, and playing the silly game of No True Scotsman is pointless.

But you need to get your attacks in somehow, so please have the last word.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #8)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 10:42 AM

9. If you want to pretend that you are Christian, even of the most deplorable right wing variety, ...

 

...you need to give an answer to the question and pretend that you believe that answer.

Otherwise, you aren't even a Pretender, much less a True Scotsman.

Silly internet memes don't come into it if there's not even a pretense.



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Response to stone space (Reply #9)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 11:27 AM

10. What makes you think they want to pretend they are Christian?

They said in #6 they don't think Jesus existed.

Does "silly internet memes" refer to your use of "who would Jesus grope"? Because that seems to be the only meme (well, a variation on one) I can see in the thread. But if you think it's silly, why start a thread about it?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #10)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 01:01 PM

12. There are silly internet memes out there reguarding Scottish heritage.

 

But those silly memes don't even come into play unless one actually claims to be Scottish.

What makes you think they want to pretend they are Christian?


In post #2, Trotsky mentions some folks ("them" who, from his description, don't appear to even want to pretend.

You have no clue about their mindset if you think that question would matter to them.


Forget about whether or not they are "true Christians". Those folks don't even qualify as pretenders.

My question should matter to the pretenders, because they have to...well...you know...pretend...and it's kind of an obvious question.





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Response to stone space (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 01:14 PM

14. If you are claiming they "don't even qualify as pretenders", then you are committing

the 'No True Scotsman' fallacy, whether or not you don't like that it's frequently invoked on the internet.

Since this is not a right wing board, you know that no one from the religious right is going to answer this. So you know that all you're going to get as answers is people describing the religious right as best as they can see them. It seems peculiarly pointless to start a thread like this, and then object to the only way anyone can answer your reply.

If you tried discussing the topic you started, rather than responding with ambiguous, uninformative posts that seem designed to antagonize DUers rather than engage them, you might find your threads would advance human understanding rather than muddying it.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #14)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:07 PM

18. ...

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Response to stone space (Reply #12)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:51 PM

20. BTW, "No True Scotsman" isn't an "internet meme."

It's the name given to a particular type of logical fallacy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_true_Scotsman

Which notes that the term came about long before anyone was on the Internet:

The introduction of the term is attributed to British philosopher Antony Flew, who in his 1975 book, Thinking About Thinking, wrote:

Imagine Hamish McDonald, a Scotsman, sitting down with his Glasgow Morning Herald and seeing an article about how the "Brighton Sex Maniac Strikes Again". Hamish is shocked and declares that "No Scotsman would do such a thing". The next day he sits down to read his Glasgow Morning Herald again; and, this time, finds an article about an Aberdeen man whose brutal actions make the Brighton sex maniac seem almost gentlemanly. This fact shows that Hamish was wrong in his opinion, but is he going to admit this? Not likely. This time he says: "No true Scotsman would do such a thing".


Now don't you look silly.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 04:04 PM

21. If you treat Internet Memes as a Holy Book, doesn't understanding become difficult?

 

Now don't you look silly.


I mean, what are we to do with statements made by religious folks about their own faith in a world ruled and restricted by internet memes?

How can we hope to ever understand anything if our thought processes are forced into the confines of the tiny, tiny boxes provided by those internet memes?

For a true believer, Christianity can be hard work. And their standards may be different than yours, since your own standards were derived from some silly internet meme, for God's sake!.

For example, the late Fr. Phil Berrigan would describe himself as "a Catholic, trying to become a Christian".

He didn't get his standards from an internet meme.

And regarding the so-called Christian Right, Fr. Berrigan had this to say, which, again, I can't even understand while crouching in the tiny, tiny box of your silly internet meme:


Fighting the Lamb's War: Skirmishes with the American Empire.

The Autobiography of Phillip Berrigan, with Fred A. Wilcox


(from page 219 of the 1996 edition.)




My critics say that I must "Love or Leave" America. I have never considered becoming an expatriate. This is my country. I was born and raised here. The United States has fostered and nourished me. And even though the government does not represent the people, this country belongs to us.

People talk about taking the country back from the usurpers, but what does this mean? In the name of liberty and justice, Pat Buchanan and friends want to establish an Old Testament Theocracy. In their ideal world the state will not only be God’s representative on earth; the state will be God. Persecuting the poor, abolishing Affirmative Action, building more prisons, executing more prisoners, expanding police powers, burning books, denying gay men and women jobs, fanning the fires of bigotry and hate, nourishing the addiction to war; all this will be an expression of God’s will.

How anyone can claim to be a Christian and believe these things is beyond comprehension. The God of the so-called Christian Right is a God of hate, not love; revenge, not forgiveness; death, not life. Such a God is bigoted and spiteful, a misogynist who inflicts pain and misery on the human family. The Christian Right’s vision stems neither from the Bible nor the Constitution, but from the dark and frightened recesses of the human psyche.


As for myself, I continue to resist because there is no alternative. I will not join the establishment. That would be deeply repugnant to me. I intend to stay here, witnessing against violence and madness, obsession with property and glorification of privilege.

Plowshare activists go to jail in order to resist the empire. We are innocent, but there is no other way to make our statement. We make it publicly, in court, before the press and anyone who cares to listen. We do not choose to go to prison. That is the government’s decision. We violate unjust laws, and take the consequences, whatever they may be. But our submission doesn’t mean that we respect the corrupt judicial system. We go to prison for our nonviolent beliefs, not because we accept the empire’s rules.

I remember one quotation from the Book of John, where Jesus says something like, “If they hate me, they will hate you also.” The implication; if they do not hate you, you are not living the life you profess to live. That is, following me.”

Two thousand years have passed, and Caesar reigns. The military occupies our country, a hierarchy of the rich and powerful controls the people’s lives, taxing the poor, beating, jailing, killing, those who resist imperial policies.

For over a period of two thousand years, the Bible has been largely ignored or defiled. The life of Christ is not preached by the established church, and it is not lived by many Christians; not to be wondered that so many “Christians” despise the poor and support the military.


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Response to stone space (Reply #21)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 04:15 PM

22. Alrighty then. Bye. n/t

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Response to trotsky (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:19 PM

26. I'm sympathetic with your confusion. Believe me, I am.

 

Alrighty then. Bye. n/t


In fact, I was expecting it.

The real world is a wee bit more complicated than your typical internet meme allows for.



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Response to trotsky (Reply #20)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 04:19 PM

23. He's out of ammo and is firing blanks now.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #23)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:25 PM

27. Gun worship is an ugly, ugly thing.

 

He's out of ammo and is firing blanks now.


Not sure why gun worshipers feel the need to pray so publicly.



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Response to trotsky (Reply #2)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 11:33 AM

11. You have no clue about who you're talking about.

 

If the choice is between a Candidate A who they think will outlaw abortion versus Candidate B who wants to kill babies, it doesn't matter what else Candidate A does, they'll vote for that person.

Exactly who do you think they are?

"They", whomevever you think they are, clearly do not have a monopoly on simple-minded, broad-brushed politics.

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Response to rug (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 01:06 PM

13. The only plural noun phrase in the OP is "those on the Religious Right"

so it obviously refers to them.

If you think you have a far better understanding of those on the Religious Right, why don't you tell us about them, rather that wittering on about "simple-minded, broad-brushed politics"?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #13)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 01:23 PM

15. You must have missed "prominent figures in the Catholic church".

 

Followed by the supremely simple-minded - and stupid - statement:

Because their religion teaches them that abortion is murdering babies, and that's that.

As to what I choose to post about, I first prioritize the bigotry standing directly in front of me.

Were he a more honest poster, and not a pedantic peddler of anti-Catholicism, I would be more than happy to point out the differences - and similarities - between the evangelical right and the RCC. Starting with Pence who left the RCC to become the poster child of the Evangelical right.

But since he's not, first things first.

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Response to rug (Reply #15)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 01:30 PM

16. Everyone miseed "prominent figures in the Catholic church" in the OP, because it's not there

Try reading it. "Prominent figures in the Catholic church" doesn't appear in reply #2 until after the use of "their" and "them", so you know that's not who it refers to. Furthermore, the exact use was "even prominent figures in the Catholic church", thus showing that "prominent figures in the Catholic church" is not being used to refer to the same group as "they".

Why is it I have to lead you through English language comprehension so often, rug? And why is it you so often resort to nasty insults of DUers rather than obeying the terms of service of the site, by calling their posts 'bigotry' and calling into question their honesty?

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #16)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 01:38 PM

17. That's because I replied to post #2.

 

Try reading it before wagging fingers inaptly.

Throwing you a rope to save you from another misstep is hardly leading me through comprehending the English language.

Now, why don't you, muriel, drop your pretense of eschewing personal insults?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/123051853

Let me know of you need any help finding post #s.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=profile&uid=131176

You shouldn't complain of the smell when you choose to wade in a sewer.



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Response to rug (Reply #17)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 02:08 PM

19. The way English works, "their" and "them" mean something already mentioned

Not something that comes up later.

It's rude of you to call this thread a 'sewer'. It's just your own posts that are insulting.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #19)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 08:14 PM

25. What does your English tell you this means? "Response to trotsky (Reply #2)"

 

Ah, muriel, you're getting desperate. I'll relink the thread that caries the sludge you deny exists.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/123051853

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Response to stone space (Original post)

Wed Oct 12, 2016, 04:58 PM

24. If Jesus existed, he groped Mary Mag

Or the Samaritan woman by the watering hole

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