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What's with all the deleted posts? (Original Post) Lordquinton Mar 2017 OP
Or a fear of intolerance, and its effects? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #1
I don't follow Lordquinton Mar 2017 #11
It must remain a mystery. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #12
Still can't rule out Rapture... Lordquinton Mar 2017 #16
You knew what was in those threads. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #17
So did you Lordquinton Mar 2017 #18
This op was not necessary and violates the rules against meta in this room. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #19
No. Lordquinton Mar 2017 #20
If that is true then you would self delete this now that you got your answer. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #22
No? Lordquinton Mar 2017 #23
Of course you won't self delete this. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #24
I believe that deleting threads is a way of shutting down discussion Lordquinton Mar 2017 #27
If you want to open this group up to meta threads than that is a topic worth discussing. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #28
Keep pushing your meme Lordquinton Mar 2017 #37
It is a shame that games are being played in this room. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #42
There are other ways of shutting down discussion also. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #39
Which is the motive of some in this room. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #44
Well, as you noted, this IS a Meta discussion, and unrelated to the purpose guillaumeb Mar 2017 #45
I used to get so angry when certain poster used to stomp all over my threads hrmjustin Mar 2017 #47
Me too, hrmjustin. littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #52
Based on reccent posting history, I would agree. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #62
Your recent posting? littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #66
There are groups in which religious discussion is protected. Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #72
Ditto. eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #76
I have no idea what that means. Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #81
Hahaha littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #83
My apologies. Went right over my head. Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #84
That's ok, sorry to hear about your trouble. littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #86
Death of a Salesman Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #87
Just a general observation on my part. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #77
Now we're talking. ♡ littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #78
Another way to shut down discussion is by pressing the button. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #91
We have deleted posts in this forum all the time. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #2
No we don't. There are 7 on the front page, 6 by a single user. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #4
What is going on? hrmjustin Mar 2017 #5
Something odd. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #6
Do tell! hrmjustin Mar 2017 #7
If I knew AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #9
This whole thing is just so amazing. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #10
Agreed. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #15
Something is going on. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #8
So it's a bad thing that this forum is getting a lot of traffic? Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #25
Any thoughts on why there is an increase of posts in here lately? hrmjustin Mar 2017 #29
Maybe a lack of "atheists suck" posts Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #30
I haven't noticed that but to be honest I rarely engage in those threads. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #31
It's a crazy world. Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #32
Indeed they do. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #33
And there are certainly atheists that are horrible, too. Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #34
We all have our moments. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #35
Do you participate in the religion sucks posts? Lordquinton Mar 2017 #38
I have. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #43
What's interesting about it? Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #57
Nice cartoon. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #58
♡ eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #80
Which brings up the obvious response to your claim: guillaumeb Mar 2017 #40
"But the negative original posts about religion and believers seem to far outnumber the positives." Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #59
1) A claim was made. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #63
Yes, it is unreasonable. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #67
If anyone makes a claim, they should be more than happy guillaumeb Mar 2017 #68
Now, that's a priggish response. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #69
IS yours an evasive response? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #75
Evasive? I'm flat out refusing you. Act_of_Reparation Mar 2017 #82
Ok, let's apply this evenly Lordquinton Mar 2017 #73
If I state something as fact, what are the consequences? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #90
Well, your first comment was rebutted already Lordquinton Mar 2017 #94
Somehow I missed the rebuttal. guillaumeb Mar 2017 #96
Take that up with the person you were talking with about that issue Lordquinton Mar 2017 #98
That's not what I said Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #74
What you said: guillaumeb Mar 2017 #92
Your claim: "suggested that these negative posts might be a response to the many 'atheists suck'" Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #93
The "horrors of atheism"? guillaumeb Mar 2017 #97
Welcome to a politically left leaning discussion board. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #104
There was one not too long ago Lordquinton Mar 2017 #95
Are you kidding? beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #99
Atheist groups are also very cautious Lordquinton Mar 2017 #100
Good point. I run into anti-atheist sentiment often here in the bible belt. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #101
Didn't you know? The cold water they splash on you to wake you up Lordquinton Mar 2017 #103
Someone died, rose and appointed delete police. littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #65
They were links to a bigoted religious site. trotsky Mar 2017 #3
They were linking to the Vatican? PassingFair Mar 2017 #13
LOL! trotsky Mar 2017 #14
...... Goblinmonger Mar 2017 #26
BOOM!!! Iggo Mar 2017 #36
LMAO!!! beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #48
DUzy. ♡ littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #53
Post removed Post removed Mar 2017 #41
You know you are welcome to post anything related to religion here. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #46
Um... Lordquinton Mar 2017 #60
I wouldn't have hidden what she said. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #61
Accidental performance art? Lordquinton Mar 2017 #70
You can ask her. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #71
There is so much unintended irony here. :) (nt) bekkilyn Mar 2017 #79
That maybe true but my point still stands. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #85
Her OP's haven't been hidden Lordquinton Mar 2017 #88
Whatever! I didn't alert, or ask anyone to alert. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #89
When has that ever happened? AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #105
I don't keep a list of my interactions with every poster. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #106
No need in either case. AtheistCrusader Mar 2017 #107
Of course. hrmjustin Mar 2017 #108
hey it was god's will. which god out of millions is not verified at this time nt msongs Mar 2017 #21
Still looking for a working definition of God Lordquinton Mar 2017 #51
If there was a rapture I'm going to get me a sports car and a jet. beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #49
Still not ruled out! Lordquinton Mar 2017 #50
Oh goodie! beam me up scottie Mar 2017 #56
Oh, goddess look... littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #54
I said I wasn't ruling it out! Lordquinton Mar 2017 #55
Ta Da!! eom littlemissmartypants Mar 2017 #64
Dunno, but I voted for a hide for the first time in weeks. Warpy Mar 2017 #102

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
11. I don't follow
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 01:59 PM
Mar 2017

But since the author is posting, rapture can be ruled out (Or can it? DUN DUN!)

Perhaps you could enlighten us?

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
16. Still can't rule out Rapture...
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 02:18 PM
Mar 2017

But Trotsky did enlighten us as to why they were deleted, so that mystery is solved at least.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
18. So did you
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 02:28 PM
Mar 2017

So did the OP. One person actually clicked on them and gave the answer as to why they were deleted, so Mystery solved (Still investigating rapture as cause)

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
19. This op was not necessary and violates the rules against meta in this room.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 02:31 PM
Mar 2017

You did this as a call out, plain and simple.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
20. No.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 02:51 PM
Mar 2017

That was not the intention, I saw a lot of deleted posts and was curious.

There is a lot of discussion that goes on here that could be counted as meta, but it only happens when someone wants to shut down discussion, instead of encouraging it.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
24. Of course you won't self delete this.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:10 PM
Mar 2017

Your agenda was to put a meta thread to mock another poster.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
27. I believe that deleting threads is a way of shutting down discussion
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:27 PM
Mar 2017

So there's the reason i won't.

Second is that if i have a question about it, then surely others do too, and we don't want a bunch of these threads, right? (People don't even want one. What do people have against questions in this group?)

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
28. If you want to open this group up to meta threads than that is a topic worth discussing.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:29 PM
Mar 2017

You can even start a new thread on it. I would oppose it but is still worth discussing.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
44. Which is the motive of some in this room.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 06:56 PM
Mar 2017

Some people here enjoy baiting others into hides while pretending to be all innocent and go through the martyr and persecuted routine as done down below.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
45. Well, as you noted, this IS a Meta discussion, and unrelated to the purpose
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 07:35 PM
Mar 2017

of the group, but I have no problem generally discussing things as long as it does not stray into forbidden operational issues relating to administering the site.

What I find interesting is that, considering how much is said in this forum about intolerance by believers, there seems to be very little tolerance for positive posts about believers.

And a point was made about the claimed frequency of "atheists suck" posts, but my research skills must be really lacking because I cannot find any such posts. And the person whom I asked has not as yet responded, but when I do see all of these "atheists suck" posts I will join that poster in condemning such intolerance.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
47. I used to get so angry when certain poster used to stomp all over my threads
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 09:08 PM
Mar 2017

that were positive about religion. But at this point I have learned to expect it and accept it. I don't mind push back, but those who bait to get hides on people really piss me off.

littlemissmartypants

(22,418 posts)
52. Me too, hrmjustin.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 12:32 AM
Mar 2017

Last edited Wed Mar 22, 2017, 12:36 PM - Edit history (1)

When I first got here peeps used to goad me, knowing that I was a noob. I got a couple of locks and hides that really hurt my feelings. This group has suddenly become very active, like a roiling stew of liquid contrition.

Falls into the forbidden four topics of conversation in my family. Sex, politics, money and ... yet here we are.

I'm thinking this is like the anti lounge at this point.

littlemissmartypants

(22,418 posts)
66. Your recent posting?
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 02:34 PM
Mar 2017

Or mine? Or do you mean the Religion group in general?

And are you currenty acting as proxy for hrmjustin?

This place has become close to a toxic stew. I'm one spaghetti monster proverb away from unsubscribing. I'm just waiting for Rex Tillerson's wife to pray about it for me.

I'm a wordsmith. Thanks for the compliment.

I'm also a bad speller. High five.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
72. There are groups in which religious discussion is protected.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:28 PM
Mar 2017

This is not one of them. Perhaps those are better suited for you.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
81. I have no idea what that means.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:27 PM
Mar 2017

I'm fine with the discussion here. Was in the past, too. I also post in Atheists & Agnostics where it is protected.

So, "ditto." Since that seems to be what the crafty word smiths are saying these days.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
84. My apologies. Went right over my head.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 07:11 PM
Mar 2017

Long day at school. Plus a wonderful end of play project was halted by technology being stupid so had to replan mid day. Such is life.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
77. Just a general observation on my part.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:46 PM
Mar 2017

If I am a proxy for hrmjustin, should I expect a check?

I am still waiting for George Soros to pay me for all the demonstrating.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
4. No we don't. There are 7 on the front page, 6 by a single user.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 01:46 PM
Mar 2017

On the next TWENTY pages, there are 2.

Something odd is going on.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
25. So it's a bad thing that this forum is getting a lot of traffic?
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:17 PM
Mar 2017

"I wish my discussion board had less traffic" said no discussion board website owner ever.

If you don't like that this forum allows religion to actually be questioned, there are other forums you can go to that are protected. I believe Skinner pointed one out to you. Interfaith might be good. Of course, there hasn't been a post there since January, but maybe you can go pick up the traffic there.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
31. I haven't noticed that but to be honest I rarely engage in those threads.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:39 PM
Mar 2017

But now we certainly have plenty of religion sucks posts.

Interesting that they came exactly when they did.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
32. It's a crazy world.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:47 PM
Mar 2017

Many religions have very anti-progressive dogma that is worth discussion here.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
34. And there are certainly atheists that are horrible, too.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 03:56 PM
Mar 2017

I have no problem talking about that, either. It's just hard when people contort into pretzels to bring some minor atheist transgression up and make it huge.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
38. Do you participate in the religion sucks posts?
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 04:45 PM
Mar 2017

Because you have noticed those, but not the atheist suck ones.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
57. What's interesting about it?
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:07 AM
Mar 2017

People posting about religion on a religion forum? Obviously there is a conspiracy afoot.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
40. Which brings up the obvious response to your claim:
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 05:05 PM
Mar 2017

Where are all of these "atheist suck" threads? If you are referring to threads from years ago, you might want to acknowledge that. But the negative original posts about religion and believers seem to far outnumber the positives.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
59. "But the negative original posts about religion and believers seem to far outnumber the positives."
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 12:54 PM
Mar 2017

Is there a good reason any of us should give a shit?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
63. 1) A claim was made.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 02:14 PM
Mar 2017

2) Evidence to support the claim was requested.

3) Still waiting for the evidence. Is that unreasonable?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
67. Yes, it is unreasonable.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:06 PM
Mar 2017

1) Calling out other DUer's ist verboten.

2) Providing said evidence would be tantamount to a call-out - You know this, seeing as what happened the last time you demanded proof.

Sorry. No proof for you.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
68. If anyone makes a claim, they should be more than happy
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:12 PM
Mar 2017

to provide proof.

A point was made about the recent spate of posts that focus exclusively on negative news about religion. A response to that post suggested that these negative posts might be a response to the many "atheists suck" posts here.

So, because I would like to condemn any such "atheists suck" posts, I asked for a link to these posts. We should all condemn such intolerance and the best way to demonstrate our values would be to link to these intolerant posts so we can all condemn them.

Agreed?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
69. Now, that's a priggish response.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:24 PM
Mar 2017

You don't dictate what should or should not make me happy. Trust me: nothing would please me less than getting a hide trying to satisfy such an irrelevant, narcissistic challenge.

You have a star membership and what appears to be plenty of spare time. If proving us atheists are bunch big old meanies is that important to you, have at it. Let us know what you find.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
75. IS yours an evasive response?
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:43 PM
Mar 2017

When Trump made his claims of being wiretapped by President Obama, he was asked to provide some evidence of these claims.

As to proving anything about atheists, I do not feel that those atheists who frequent DU are spokespeople for atheism. I draw no conclusions about atheism from reading the responses.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
82. Evasive? I'm flat out refusing you.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 05:49 PM
Mar 2017

You're not Obama, I'm not Trump, this isn't a court of law, and digging up nearly ten years' of historical context for newbies to the Religion group isn't my job or my idea of a good time. If you want to continue posting under the illusion that all your comrades in faith are friendly, understanding people and that the local atheists are a bunch of butthurt miscreants reading insult and injury where none exists, that's your prerogative. I don't care nearly enough to waste another second of my time trying in vain to divorce you of your biases.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
73. Ok, let's apply this evenly
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:34 PM
Mar 2017

And bring back an old, and relevant question:

Keeping in mind what you just said "If anyone makes a claim, they should be more than happy to provide proof"

Where is the proof for your claim of a god?

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
90. If I state something as fact, what are the consequences?
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:57 AM
Mar 2017

Stating that there are many "atheists suck" posts on DU is a statement that there are such posts on DU. I asked for clarification, and asked if these were old posts.

My statement is that I believe in the Creator. And I also state that my belief is unprovable.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
94. Well, your first comment was rebutted already
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:24 PM
Mar 2017

The second logically concludes that no evidence is required to dismiss your claim of a creator, therefore no belief is required.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
96. Somehow I missed the rebuttal.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 06:59 PM
Mar 2017

But if a simple assertion qualifies in your eyes as a rebuttal..................

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
98. Take that up with the person you were talking with about that issue
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 08:57 PM
Mar 2017

Now for the second issue..................................................

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
74. That's not what I said
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 04:41 PM
Mar 2017

Justin asked why there were more posts here. I said maybe because of a lack of atheist suck posts keeping people away.

I in no way was saying that the current posts were "negative news about religion" and I didn't say that they were "a response to the many 'atheist suck' posts here." THAT is all fabrication on your part. I would appreciate you editing to correct. You can scroll above to see the whole conservation if you somehow think you are correct. Which you aren't.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
92. What you said:
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:06 AM
Mar 2017
Maybe a lack of "atheists suck" posts

to keep people away?

Your thoughts?


And I argued that if there are such posts, I would speak against them. I have seen no such posts in the 2 plus years I have been here, nor have my searches shown anything like such posts. But that could be due to my search abilities. I also stated that I have seen, in my opinion, far more intolerance on DU for religion than for atheism.

Edited to add: My original response was

Where are all of these "atheist suck" threads? If you are referring to threads from years ago, you might want to acknowledge that. But the negative original posts about religion and believers seem to far outnumber the positives.
 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
93. Your claim: "suggested that these negative posts might be a response to the many 'atheists suck'"
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 11:08 AM
Mar 2017

Never said that.

And it's cute that you are just ignoring the posts in this group that focus on the horrors of atheism. If you don't realize they are here, there is nothing I can do for you.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
97. The "horrors of atheism"?
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 07:01 PM
Mar 2017

Looking at the posts from the past month, it is obvious how heavily the posts are leaning.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
104. Welcome to a politically left leaning discussion board.
Fri Mar 24, 2017, 11:39 AM
Mar 2017

Members of this community are more likely than conservatives to be an atheist, 'agnostic', or 'none' depending on how you word the survey.

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/02/23/u-s-religious-groups-and-their-political-leanings/

And that graph is more telling than first glance, given the over-weighting of Evangelicals into the conservative camp. So of the believers that are left of center, they are less likely to be the kind of people that promote, talk about, or try to legislate based upon religious influence.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
95. There was one not too long ago
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 12:32 PM
Mar 2017

Something about branding atheists intolerant because they kicked out a trump supporter....

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
99. Are you kidding?
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 09:09 PM
Mar 2017

How does that make atheists intolerant?

Trump supporters are often horribly bigoted, kicking one out of a group might have had something to do with that. Also many Trump fans are notorious trolls, they harass people on social media and even in meat space - so if he was kicked out I'm sure it was probably because he was some sort of asshole, not because those who kicked him out are intolerant.

I wish more of them would be kicked out of clubs.

Lordquinton

(7,886 posts)
100. Atheist groups are also very cautious
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:05 PM
Mar 2017

Some closed groups are quick to ban anyone who seems like a troll because people's livelyhoods can be threatened, like that teacher not too long ago. Things that theists don't have to worry about.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
101. Good point. I run into anti-atheist sentiment often here in the bible belt.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:25 PM
Mar 2017

Christian privilege is a thing. Look how many people admit they won't vote for an atheist in this country. Even one of our former presidents said we shouldn't be considered citizens:

"No, I don't know that atheists should be considered as citizens, nor should they be considered patriots. This is one nation under God."

George H.W. Bush


I served my country, so did my father and my brothers - all atheists - but we shouldn't be considered citizens or patriots because we're not Christian?


littlemissmartypants

(22,418 posts)
65. Someone died, rose and appointed delete police.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 02:34 PM
Mar 2017

Get with the program, Act_of_Reparation.

(EXTRA LARGE SARCASM SMILEY HERE)

I couldn't agree more. About not giving a shit. Pettiness is as pettiness does.

♡lmsp

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
3. They were links to a bigoted religious site.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 01:42 PM
Mar 2017

One that opposed LGBTQI rights, reproductive rights, etc. A lot of stuff that we as liberals and progressives are fighting for.

Response to trotsky (Reply #3)

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
46. You know you are welcome to post anything related to religion here.
Tue Mar 21, 2017, 08:38 PM
Mar 2017

It isn't a big deal and no one is stopping you. You really shouldn't feel upset about it.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
71. You can ask her.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 03:50 PM
Mar 2017

My point was I would not have hidden it and people too easily alert and hide things.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
85. That maybe true but my point still stands.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 09:34 PM
Mar 2017

People can post stories dealing with belief or unbelief here. Her ops were not hidden.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
89. Whatever! I didn't alert, or ask anyone to alert.
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 10:59 PM
Mar 2017

I would have left it and debated her on the points.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
106. I don't keep a list of my interactions with every poster.
Fri Mar 24, 2017, 11:50 AM
Mar 2017

You can use the search function if you like.

beam me up scottie

(57,349 posts)
56. Oh goodie!
Wed Mar 22, 2017, 02:51 AM
Mar 2017

I'm going to make a list of cars.

I do appreciate German engineering but those Italians know how to create a beautiful machine, they can be temperamental but that's part of their charm.



Warpy

(110,909 posts)
102. Dunno, but I voted for a hide for the first time in weeks.
Thu Mar 23, 2017, 10:38 PM
Mar 2017

Maybe people are extra grouchy today because the Republicans are taking their health care away.

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