Christians Upset About Atheist's Bible Verse

[Quixote1818]

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

1. Did this guy accurately quote that verse?

I'm a non-believer, don't have a Bible handy, but I bet he does. So why should Christians be offended? Especially those who say we're supposed to be taking it all literally. Even, apparently all the contradictory stuff.

[Quixote1818]

2. Yes, it's a direct quote

Of course the one guy pulled up another quote about how men are supposed to love women un-conditionally thinking that would make things all better. I am not a woman but in a nut shell that would be like saying: "Keep your mouth shut and do as I say but it's okay because I love you un-conditionally."

Who falls for this stuff?

[PoindexterOglethorpe]

3. Yep. Who falls for this stuff?

People who've had it drilled into them every day of their entire lives. People who don't want to think for themselves. People who want to be told what to do, what to think.

[Warpy]

4. Skeptic's Annotated Bible is a good online resource

to check idiots and their babble verses. Yes, that one is correct.

Christians are offended because so few of them have ever read that book they're using to ruin the country.

[Corvo Bianco]

52. hear hear. nt

[trotsky]

5. Every Christian has parts of the bible they take literally, and parts they don't.

Of course most don't look at it that way. They think they are following the verses truly inspired by god, and ignoring the ones that got corrupted.

[Act_of_Reparation]

6. Conservative believers think god is conservative.

Liberal believers think god is liberal.

Possible explanations:

1. Conservative believers are wrong; liberal believers understand the true god.
2. Liberal believers are wrong; conservative believers understand the true god.
3. There is no true god, or if there is no one seems to know it. Instead, believers form their impression of the true god by projecting their preexisting beliefs and attitudes onto a vague character template.

Gee, I wonder which one it is. Guess we'll never know.

[trotsky]

7. Yeah that's a tough one to figure out.

If only one of those answers had a little historical support, you know, maybe a few thousand years or so, demonstrating that everybody thinks god is (was) on their side and shit just happens regardless.

[guillaumeb]

8. Hugh Hefner and Larry Flynt are atheists.

So what should we conclude?

[Mariana]

9. What does that have to do with the subject of this thread?

Do you have any opinions about this man, or about the fact he's painted a Bible verse on his truck, or about the verse itself, or about the reactions of the locals?

[guillaumeb]

10. My point was to the post, and the conclusion reached by some that how we act is driven by what we

believe. So if our beliefs drive our actions, how does atheism drive how Flynt and Hefner portray women?

[Mariana]

11. So what do you think about the man and the Bible verse? nt.

[guillaumeb]

15. Why did the man feel it was necessary to paint his vehicle with this particular verse?

Was he sincerely interested in dialogue, or is he simply looking for an argument?

[MineralMan]

25. Why does that matter? It's his truck, right?

He can decorate it however he chooses. He chose to put a verse from the Bible on his truck. I wouldn't choose to do that, but I'm not him.

I don't know what he's interested in, but an argument is dialogue, last I heard.

[Voltaire2]

12. I'm pretty sure Hef's unbelief in unicorns

was central to the development of playboy.
Larry was more driven by his non belief in flat earth theories, thus Hustler.

[Cartoonist]

13. You and other theists keep sying this.

Atheism is not a belief. It does not drive our actions. How could it? It is not a belief with directives or commandments.

[guillaumeb]

14. Anything that one believes to be true is a belief.

The belief does not have to be codified to qualify as a belief. And are you absolutely certain that Hefner's conception of atheism is NOT central to Hefner's philosophy?

[Cartoonist]

16. Atheism is a lack of belief

Here is something we can both agree on, and it is the basis of atheism. It also is undeniably true.
There is no proof that God exists. It's that simple. You and I ,and everyone on the planet knows that there is no physical proof of God's existence. It's not a belief, it's a simple fact.

[trotsky]

17. There's no point. He will persist in trying to define atheists his way.

He has to, or his worldview will collapse.

[Act_of_Reparation]

18. That would be a more impressive argument if it weren't dripping with equivocation.

The word "belief" carries context-specific connotations. Religion is one such context.

Belief

1: a state or habit of mind in which trust or confidence is placed in some person or thing her belief in God a belief in democracy I bought the table in the belief that it was an antique. contrary to popular belief

2: something that is accepted, considered to be true, or held as an opinion : something believed an individual's religious or political beliefs; especially : a tenet or body of tenets held by a group the beliefs of the Catholic Church

3: conviction of the truth of some statement or the reality of some being or phenomenon especially when based on examination of evidence belief in the validity of scientific statements

[guillaumeb]

19. Number 2 is not solely devoted to religion.

The first part is "something that is accepted....or held as an opinion".

[Act_of_Reparation]

20. Yeah, that's fascinating.

How about you come back when you understand what "equivocation" means.

[guillaumeb]

21. How............................. devastating.

[Voltaire2]

22. Here.

Equivocation

(also known as: doublespeak)

Description: Using an ambiguous term in more than one sense, thus making an argument misleading

Example #2:

The priest told me I should have faith.
I have faith that my son will do well in school this year.
Therefore, the priest should be happy with me.

[guillaumeb]

23. How very helpful.

Given that there is no font for irony, simply imagine what that font might look like while you are re adding my subject line.

[WoonTars]

26. Total rubbish.

.

[guillaumeb]

28. Because...................?

Prove that Hefner's atheism had no influence on his life choices.

[WoonTars]

29. Prove that it did...

Again with the asking for proof of a negative...

[guillaumeb]

30. If beliefs influence actions,

what inevitably follows is that ALL beliefs can influence actions. So perhaps Hefner's attitudes toward and usage of women are based on his beliefs. And if one of his beliefs is atheism.......

[Fix The Stupid]

31. What's your beef with Hefner?

Did he force these ADULTS to make their decisions whether they would pose nude for his magazine?

Did he use a gun? Threaten them with violence?

Can an adult make their own decisions regarding their bodies or is that your job?

[guillaumeb]

32. I am neither defending nor attacking Hefner.

But if beliefs influence attitudes and actions...............

[Fix The Stupid]

41. Ahhh... it makes sense now.

You heard in a sermon somewhere that Hefner and Flynt were evil atheists because they peddle 'smut'...

Right?

So, you're 'on the clock' so to speak with these pronouncements...

Trying to gain points with 'god', pointing out the evil that is adults deciding what they can and cannot do with their bodies...

Your posts make sense now - just have to view them thru that guise.

[guillaumeb]

47. Keep trying to define my beliefs.

I read, and looked at, Playboy for many years. I agree with much of Hefner's politics, and his positions on the politics of sex.

I do not care about, nor would I judge, any sexual actions of consenting adults.

[WoonTars]

36. But atheism is the lack of belief...by definition

...

[guillaumeb]

37. Some atheists insist on defining it as such.

But that only works among similar believers. If atheism were provable it would be a different matter, but it is not.

[WoonTars]

40. No, that's literally the definition. They literally don't believe.

I don't believe that i don't believe in gods, i just don't believe in them. It's an asinine assumption to say that lack of belief is a belief.

Let me put it this way, I'm a guy. I don't have a vagina. I don't believe i don't have a vagina, i just don't have a vagina.

Also atheism isn't what needs to be proven, gods need to be proven, after all, they're the things people claim exist with zero evidence.

[guillaumeb]

46. Explain the difference between the following 2 statements:

I believe that there are no gods.

I do not believe in gods.

[pokerfan]

55. Here....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Implicit_and_explicit_atheism

[Lordquinton]

24. Hitler and King Leopold were Christian

What's your point?

[guillaumeb]

33. Did you ask this same question about the man with the very silly sign?

Perhaps he was attempting to engage believers in a dialogue?

[Lordquinton]

34. Welcome back

My comment was in response to yours. A more proper response, which has probably been asked, idk it's been a while for this thread, is what in atheism tells you how to live? (Also, what about Hefner, and Larry Flynt is objectionable?)

[guillaumeb]

35. Does anyone "live" without beliefs?

Everyone has beliefs, and how those beliefs influence the way that one lives varies. What influence their beliefs have on the lives of Flynt and Hefner is another question.

Thanks for the welcome back.

[Lordquinton]

38. You raised the point that they are without religious belief

Atheism has no direction, other than no gods. How would that affect their outlook?

[guillaumeb]

44. I cannot answer for either of them.

Do you feel that beliefs influence actions?

[Lordquinton]

50. Then why did you bring them up?

Do you think their lack of belief influences them?

[guillaumeb]

53. You are stating that they lack belief?

Interesting.

[Lordquinton]

54. On your stated grounds that they are atheists, yes

I can't speak to more than that, but working within the given information (If you wish to introduce more, then please say so, don't assume it's in play) yes, they lack belief.

[trotsky]

39. I challenge you, right here, right now.

First, for the record, as MANY atheists right here have told you, your definition of atheism is incorrect, insulting, and disrespectful. You persist with the hateful labeling of others against their wishes anyway. People can read what they like into that, and given your pattern of behavior here, the conclusion is pretty obvious.

But for the sake of argument, let's allow your definition. Atheism is now the "belief" that gods don't exist.

Can you explain exactly how that belief would directly influence "the way that one lives"? Bonus points if you can explain how YOUR belief that the Loch Ness Monster doesn't exist influences the way YOU live.

[Act_of_Reparation]

42. I too eagerly anticipate carefully considered answers to these questions.

[trotsky]

43. I think you and I both know...

what response I will get.

[Mariana]

48. I think I know, too.

[guillaumeb]

45. See #44.

[trotsky]

49. Post 44 doesn't answer my challenge.

Are you afraid to answer?

[AtheistCrusader]

27. Sans reinforcements, your spin is dissapointing.

[Freethinker65]

51. Not at all what I expected. Pretty clever actually

I would never have the nerve to do it myself though.