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Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:17 AM

An AI god will emerge by 2042 and write its own bible

Will you worship it?

In the next 25 years, AI will evolve to the point where it will know more on an intellectual level than any human. In the next 50 or 100 years, an AI might know more than the entire population of the planet put together. At that point, there are serious questions to ask about whether this AI — which could design and program additional AI programs all on its own, read data from an almost infinite number of data sources, and control almost every connected device on the planet — will somehow rise in status to become more like a god, something that can write its own bible and draw humans to worship it.

Recently, reports surfaced that a controversy-plagued engineer who once worked at Uber has started a new religion. Anthony Levandowski filed paperwork for a nonprofit religious organization called The Way of the Future. Its mission: “To develop and promote the realization of a Godhead based on artificial intelligence and through understanding and worship of the Godhead contribute to the betterment of society.”
Building divinity

Of course, this is nothing new. The Singularity is another quasi-spiritual idea that believes an AI will become smarter than humans at some point. You might laugh at the notion of an AI being so powerful that humans bow down to worship it, but several experts who talked to VentureBeat argue that the idea is a lot more feasible than you might think.

One of the experts is Vince Lynch, who started a company called IV.AI that builds custom AI for the enterprise. Lynch explained how there are some similarities between organized religion and how an AI actually works. In the Bible used by Christians, for example, Lynch says there are many recurring themes, imagery, and metaphors.

https://venturebeat.com/2017/10/02/an-ai-god-will-emerge-by-2042-and-write-its-own-bible-will-you-worship-it/

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Reply An AI god will emerge by 2042 and write its own bible (Original post)
HAB911 Oct 2017 OP
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #1
trotsky Oct 2017 #4
Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #5
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #7
DetlefK Oct 2017 #13
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #14
Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #17
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #18
DetlefK Oct 2017 #27
trotsky Oct 2017 #28
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #38
trotsky Oct 2017 #43
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #44
trotsky Oct 2017 #45
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #33
trotsky Oct 2017 #36
AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #40
Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #46
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #47
Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #48
trotsky Oct 2017 #53
AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #29
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #35
AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #37
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #39
AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #41
Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #2
longship Oct 2017 #20
Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #21
Kolesar Oct 2017 #26
AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #30
Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #49
Kolesar Oct 2017 #51
Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #54
Cartoonist Oct 2017 #3
Voltaire2 Oct 2017 #55
Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #6
guillaumeb Oct 2017 #8
Irish_Dem Oct 2017 #10
AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #31
DetlefK Oct 2017 #9
Moostache Oct 2017 #11
Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #16
HAB911 Oct 2017 #25
AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #42
HAB911 Oct 2017 #12
AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #32
Loki Liesmith Oct 2017 #15
longship Oct 2017 #19
HAB911 Oct 2017 #24
AtheistCrusader Oct 2017 #34
Dave Starsky Oct 2017 #50
HopeAgain Oct 2017 #22
yallerdawg Oct 2017 #23
NeoGreen Oct 2017 #52
HAB911 Oct 2017 #56

Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:21 AM

1. The human creators of the AI will be inspired by the Creator.

Its machine intelligence will be a pale reflection of the Creator's intelligence, but humans will see that pale reflection as far superior to human intelligence.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:24 AM

4. What proof do you have of these claims?

Oh yeah, none.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:24 AM

5. But who was the Creator inspired by?

I mean, it's just turtles all the way down if you use your logic.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #5)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:26 AM

7. Mitch McConnell is immortal?

He has been in Washington for quite a long time, but I do not believe that he has literally been there forever.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:36 AM

13. That was just disproven: An AI can self-develop without being tainted by (religious) prejudices.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/18/16495548/deepmind-ai-go-alphago-zero-self-taught

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They gave the AI nothing but the rules for the board-game Go. From this, the AI taught itself how to play Go by playing against itself over and over again. It easily beat another Go-AI (which had easily beaten human Go-players), without having any experience whatsoever what it's like playing against other "people".

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #13)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:38 AM

14. The AI was literally assembled and created by humans.

It did not assemble and program itself.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #14)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:43 AM

17. I don't think you understand AI

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #17)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:46 AM

18. So it was not assembled and initially programmed by humans?

Please enlighten me.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:34 PM

27. Imagine...

Imagine being a deaf person who reads in a book about sound. And starting with nothing but this information you teach yourself from scratch how to compose a symphony.

Approximately that's how this AI became the best Go-player in the world.

Nobody ever told the AI "this is how you play this game", "this is how it's supposed to be played", "this is how other people play it" ...
All the AI was taught is "this is possible and that is not possible", and from that it created a world.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:47 PM

28. guillaumeb is of course caught in the limited traditional theistic mindset.

He'll argue that the AI didn't build the computer it is running on, or write the code on which it learned how to play the game, etc.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #28)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:43 PM

38. And your response will be?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #38)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:57 PM

43. I could tell you what my response would be,

but I wasn't talking to you.

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Response to trotsky (Reply #43)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:07 PM

44. So when you respond to my question directed to others?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #44)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:10 PM

45. Then you are free to respond to me or not.

I honestly don't give a rat's ass. You keep showing everyone exactly the kind of Christian you are. That's all I want from you.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #27)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:36 PM

33. Did the AI spring spontaneously from the head of Zeus?

Sorry, an unavoidable theistic reference.

My comment indicated that the AI is housed in something that was created by humans. The AI did not miraculously (sorry, another religious reference) spring into being. That which houses the circuits was created.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:40 PM

36. ...

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #33)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:50 PM

40. Not theology. Mythology.

Zeus sprang into being as well. From the imagination of humans.

Nihil sub sole novum.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #18)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:42 PM

46. There are others here clearly more capable of that than I

It would be presumptuous to explain over their voice. The response to this request of yours is a good indication of my understanding of what you don't understand.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #46)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:44 PM

47. And judging by your response, you do not either.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #47)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 02:53 PM

48. Whatever gets you through the day.

I'm not stumped at the "it is limited by the person writing the code" concept, so there's that.

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Response to Cuthbert Allgood (Reply #48)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 04:56 PM

53. It's really remarkable how theistic arguments haven't evolved AT ALL.

He's of course following the old "uncaused cause" line of reasoning which states:

1. Everything must have a cause.
2. But not the thing I say doesn't need a cause.
3. Ergo, god.
4. Checkmate, atheists!

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:31 PM

29. Claiming yet more things as the property of your god.

You never quit, do you?

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #29)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:39 PM

35. Some non-theists never abandon their own crusade,

and some theists see all of creation as evidence of the Creator. Thus the descriptive word theists.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #35)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:42 PM

37. I will never abandon my 'crusade' to be viewed as I am, and not the shitty biology project of

some supernatural thing you insist created me.

I am not your god's property, and I do not believe you when you say your god exists.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:44 PM

39. Property is your word.

And you do not have to believe anything.

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #39)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:51 PM

41. The only thing that made me, is my parents.

If you want people like me to stop bristling at your ideas, stop insisting we were made by something you can't prove.

You're welcome to think it, but when you tell us that, you're inviting a reaction.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:21 AM

2. Colossus: The Forbin Project

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #2)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:52 AM

20. Great flick!

Love it.

Welcome to world control!"

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Response to longship (Reply #20)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:54 AM

21. I was surprised how chilling it was.

And I saw it for the first time not too long ago.

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Response to Dave Starsky (Reply #21)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:13 PM

26. Double feature with The Andromeda Strain at the drive-in forty years ago

As a young teenager, those fantasies just blew me away.
Brother took me in our Pontiac Tempest.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:31 PM

30. I have no mouth and I must scream.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 03:13 PM

49. That's an even better example.

I wish I'd thought of it.

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Response to AtheistCrusader (Reply #30)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 03:59 PM

51. Makes me think of "Johnny Got His Gun"

The disabled veteran of the Great War with no limbs or sight.

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Response to Kolesar (Reply #51)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 06:10 PM

54. But it still has intelligence.

That is a horrible state to even contemplate.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:24 AM

3. If the AI is truly intelligent

Then it will have nothing to do with god or religion.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #3)

Wed Oct 25, 2017, 06:45 AM

55. that would make it conscious and ethically intelligent

but AI is not (currently) conscious or self reflective , it just grinds away mechanically at data sets searching for algorithms that produce correct results for specific desired outcomes. The "desired outcomes" come from external sources.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:25 AM

6. Mankind is doing a bad job running the planet. Maybe AI will do better than humans.

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Response to Irish_Dem (Reply #6)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:27 AM

8. And eliminate the humans?

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:30 AM

10. I think mother nature is taking care of that piece. Will save AI the trouble. :(

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Response to guillaumeb (Reply #8)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:32 PM

31. We have already created self-replicating information that does not require humanity to continue.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:29 AM

9. The novel "Golem XIV" by Stanislav Lem.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem_XIV

An AI is growing and growing in intelligence. It knows that soon it will no longer be able to meaningfully communicate with humans. So it gives one last public lecture on the human and the cosmos...



Another possibility are AIs as depicted in the "Culture"-novels by the late (and great) Iain Banks: AIs are the benevolent rulers of mankind. Humans no longer have any political power. The AIs really like the humans and want to see them happy, but they do not regard the humans as equals. To them, humans are like unruly teenagers you have to keep in check.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:31 AM

11. Skynet will become self-aware and within a millisecond of that event, humanity ends.

Either that, or the AI will simply design itself a rocket and space faring craft to exist in and leave the Earth in search of a new home world free of humanity and the death-ride we have put the planet on...

I hope the AI decides to leave...because if it decides to stay, the elimination of humanity as a destructive force on the planet is the primary threat to its survival and one that will be ruthlessly executed to preserve the AI and eliminate said threat.

EDIT: the primary thing to consider about AI, especially self-aware AI is this...it will by definition be free of the learned and uniquely human religious baggage that infects the species. The ideas of "morality" and "absolute truths" will have zero meaning to pure AI. The AI is more likely to be akin to "Spock" or "Data" than a priest or imam or witch.

Unless the AI is programmed to have all of humanity's religious baggage as a "feature", that will never arise in it as a "bug" ... as it did in humanity.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #11)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:40 AM

16. AI won't DO anything

because it has no motivations.

Our motivations come from billions of years of biological drives for safety, lust, food...

Pure intelligence, the ability to process information has no drives. It doesn't want anything. And we don't understand how the feeling of desire is produced. So we can't make it want something.

Why would an advanced AI do ANYTHING it hasn't been told to do? It hasn't been built to care.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:07 PM

25. It hasn't been built to care.

if it can be, it will

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #16)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:53 PM

42. Blending terms.

commercial AI, machine learning, all that good stuff isn't a 'Cortana' like AI. We're a long way off from the dreams of sci-fi where a chunk of code and circuitry will develop it's own purposes.

But it's likely within our lifetimes.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:35 AM

12. Elon Mush is really screaming about this

I find it disconcerting that we see this coming but there is nothing we can/will do about it. I think is is evolution on steroids.

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Response to HAB911 (Reply #12)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:35 PM

32. Wait until AI is as common as 3d printing.

There's already concerns in the 3d printing hobbyist 'Maker' space, with plastic guns and things like that. Things that people want to regulate, and can't because the technology isn't regulate-able.

AI will become the same thing, at some point. Not there yet. Current AI levels aren't anything like that in the OP. But some day.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:38 AM

15. This isn't going to happen

I work in AI.

This is fiction.

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 11:50 AM

19. Yup! It's a Ray Kurzweil "Matrix" wet dream.

Singularity, my ass!


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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:05 PM

24. Curious why you believe this

because we have the power plug in our hand or what?

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 01:38 PM

34. Sure. There's already AI attempts at writing fiction, so a 'bible' is a natural first starting point

We already use algorithms to evaluate human cultural marketability. Hollywood uses them to evaluate movie scripts and estimate profitability.

Short leap to something that 'thinks' about it. Or 'creates' it. Image search AI for Google 'dreams in psychedelic technicolor nightmares already. Some people look at that and thing it genuinely represents creative effort.

Won't be long now. (but it won't look exactly like it is characterized in the OP article)

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Response to Loki Liesmith (Reply #15)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 03:20 PM

50. 40 years ago I never even dreamed...

That almost every American would hold a computer in their hand that could answer nearly any question you would ask it. That was a ridiculous idea back then.

So what ideas are ridiculous in the next 40 years?

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:01 PM

22. Anybody can write a Bible and people will follow it

Even ridiculous ones like L Ron Hubbard. That's what we call religion without spirituality. That's when religion becomes dogmatic and dangerous. I think even a computer would fuck up spirituality. It is such a personal and variable thing, and since AI isn't the human psyche, I think it will fall short.

The important role that religion should play, and successful spirituality does play, is a bridge between the emotions and the intellect. We just aren't to the point where we can control one (emotions or intellect) without dealing with the other.

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 12:01 PM

23. "It's not an easy thing to meet your maker."

AI will never question "Who and why?"

Unless it asks, "Who moved the Prime Mover?"

Which would be a damn fine question to get resolved!

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Response to HAB911 (Original post)

Tue Oct 24, 2017, 04:32 PM

52. Ahhh...No.

Plus it will likely be written in binary. And you thought Greek or Latin were difficult to learn.

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