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Voltaire2

(13,027 posts)
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 11:26 AM Dec 2017

All Paths Lead to Magical Thinking


In recent years, psychologists have come to understand religion and paranormal belief as resulting, in most people, from simple errors in reasoning. You believe in God or astrology or a purpose in life because you apply ideas about people—that they have thoughts and intentions—to the natural world. Some display this tendency more than others, but it’s there in everyone, even atheistic heathens like me. What has not been clarified is exactly how the various cognitive biases interact to produce specific ideas about the supernatural—until now.

In the November 2013 issue of Cognition, Aiyana Willard and Ara Norenzayan of the University of British Columbia report on the relative influence of three cognitive tendencies on three types of supernatural belief, as well as the role of cultural influence.

Several studies show that people who think more intuitively are also more susceptible to magical thinking. One intuition that’s been proposed as a foundation for religious thought is Cartesian mind-body dualism, the idea that a mind can exist independently of a body. (See chapter 5 of my book, The 7 Laws of Magical Thinking: “The Soul Lives On.”) This proposition allows for souls, ghosts, spirits, and Gods, all made of disembodied mind-stuff. Explanations for dualism include belief in free will and the mutual inhibition of brain areas responsible for pondering feelings and physics.

Another psychological process related to mysticism is anthropomorphism, the tendency to apply human-like traits to non-human entities or concepts. (See chapter 6 of my book: “The World is Alive.”) God or the Universe is hearing your prayers. Your laptop meant to crash during your presentation. Your dog understands you. Anthropomorphism can be motivated by loneliness or the need to predict and control our environment. It’s a form of pattern-seeking in which the pattern is another coherent mind.

A third process involved in magical thinking is teleological reasoning, seeing a purpose (telos, Greek for end) in objects or events. (See chapter 7: “Everything Happens for a Reason.”) Many things have a purpose (chairs, weddings). Many don’t (the Grand Canyon, hurricanes), but we sometimes feel like they do. Again, searching for purposes is a way to understand and ultimately control the world around us.


More here: Psychology Today
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All Paths Lead to Magical Thinking (Original Post) Voltaire2 Dec 2017 OP
Nicely presented in that article. MineralMan Dec 2017 #1
The diagram at the end is fabulous. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #2
Yes. It is all kinds of wonderful MineralMan Dec 2017 #3
Everyone wants to rationalize the "reasons" for faith. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #4
no it goes beyond that. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #5
I beg to differ. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #6
that doesn't disagree with anything I posted. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #7
Answer this. yallerdawg Dec 2017 #9
The freezing point of water changes with MineralMan Dec 2017 #10
There is a person who has visions of God marylandblue Dec 2017 #16
No. It's much simpler than that... TreasonousBastard Dec 2017 #8
Good example. PoindexterOglethorpe Dec 2017 #12
Religion's core and universal answer is "It's magic!" Pope George Ringo II Dec 2017 #11
Religion is a hope. PragmaticDem Dec 2017 #13
sure, that is one thing many religions do: pretend that there is some alternative to death. Voltaire2 Dec 2017 #14
Well they are not designed to offer an alternative. PragmaticDem Dec 2017 #15
Illusory hope. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #17
"Sure and certain" hope. MineralMan Jan 2018 #18
One point of view. PragmaticDem Jan 2018 #19
No kidding. Act_of_Reparation Jan 2018 #20
You're welcome! PragmaticDem Jan 2018 #21

MineralMan

(146,306 posts)
3. Yes. It is all kinds of wonderful
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 11:43 AM
Dec 2017

in its indecipherable complexity. Plus, it looks all scientific and precise and stuff.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
4. Everyone wants to rationalize the "reasons" for faith.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 11:49 AM
Dec 2017

Reason and faith are antithetical.

Reason, evidence, proof and logic do not apply to the faithful.

Reason, evidence, proof and logic lean in support of the opinion of the faithless.

Your "magical thinking" IS faith!

Voltaire2

(13,027 posts)
5. no it goes beyond that.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 11:52 AM
Dec 2017

But as long as you agree that god beliefs and ghost beliefs are equivalent, we are making some progress.

Voltaire2

(13,027 posts)
7. that doesn't disagree with anything I posted.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:08 PM
Dec 2017

And in fact you are agreeing that belief in ghosts and gods and unicorns are equivalent.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
9. Answer this.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:21 PM
Dec 2017

Do you believe water will freeze at 32° Fahrenheit?

Or is everyone required to demonstrate this fact whenever they state this belief?

And what happens the first time water doesn't freeze at 32°?

Or is the freezing temperature of water just another unicorn?

MineralMan

(146,306 posts)
10. The freezing point of water changes with
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:32 PM
Dec 2017

elevation. Not a great deal, but it changes.

It also changes with changes in the dissolved solids in that water.

Pure, distilled water freezes at 32 degrees Fahrenheit at sea level, with a high degree of accuracy, although barometric pressure changes can alter that temperature slightly.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
16. There is a person who has visions of God
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 10:06 PM
Dec 2017

but is an atheist. His visions are caused by eliptectic siezures. In ancient times, people believed epileptics were possessed by divine spirits. So faith and reason do mix, unless you'd rather just have faith in the random electrical currents in an overactive brain.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
8. No. It's much simpler than that...
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 12:19 PM
Dec 2017

People look for answers and have hopes and dreams. When the natural order of things don't answer them, or their feelings or fears, they look beyond.

My mother was a typical Lutheran woman for most of her life. But when, in her 70's she was watching a second husband dying of cancer the church was little help so she started going to card readers, soothsayers, seers, and other charlatans.

It didn't take long to get her to see the light, but we knew it was pure desperation. She was not fool, nor was she balancing various esoteric theories-- she was simply one of millions of desperate people facing tragedy and was grasping at whatever straws showed up.

Religion, politics, reverse mortgage sales... These are all have the same mechanisms that cause us to search in strange places for answers to questions we haven't fully thought out.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(25,855 posts)
12. Good example.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 02:06 PM
Dec 2017

I've known of a few other situations where someone dying of cancer turns to what I will call non-traditional healers. If conventional medicine doesn't offer any help it is quite understandable to seek unconventional medicine. Even people who have strong belief in an afterlife usually aren't in a real hurry to exit this one.

Pope George Ringo II

(1,896 posts)
11. Religion's core and universal answer is "It's magic!"
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 01:30 PM
Dec 2017

"Where did the universe come from?"
"Why are we here?"
"Can I survive cancer?"
"How do I find my other sock?"

There's a reason mental health professionals overlook regional norms in assessing a patient's relationship with reality. People who live in Iceland and believe in elves are given a pass. People who live in N'Awlins and believe in voodoo are given a pass. You simply can't diagnose a majority of the population even if they deserve it. But the guy from Reykjavik who believes in voodoo might just get a diagnosis and some interesting progress notes.

From a psychological perspective, a christian in most of the world is really no different than a voodoo priest in N'Awlins. They're not saying he's sane, just that treating all of them is problematical and low-priority.



Voltaire2

(13,027 posts)
14. sure, that is one thing many religions do: pretend that there is some alternative to death.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 03:56 PM
Dec 2017

Of course they don't actually have an alternative, just a lot of mumbo-jumbo they'd like you to believe in, for a price.

 

PragmaticDem

(320 posts)
15. Well they are not designed to offer an alternative.
Sun Dec 31, 2017, 04:00 PM
Dec 2017

What bothers me are those who take money from the vulnerable and weak, and they offer no spiritual or material help. Not all clergy are like this but there are plenty that are. I have met a few.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
17. Illusory hope.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:09 AM
Jan 2018

The kind of hope that makes you feel better without substantively changing anything. The Opiate of the Masses, I believe it is called.

MineralMan

(146,306 posts)
18. "Sure and certain" hope.
Mon Jan 1, 2018, 11:30 AM
Jan 2018

That's the phrase used at funerals. If something is "sure and certain," you don't need hope at all. It will happen. But, hedging your certainty appears to be needed. Odd, huh?

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