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Related: About this forumYou can keep your thoughts and prayers because you could fix this yourself, God tells America
As the latest school shooting saw more students gunned down in a place they should feel safe, God has shocked many Texans by flatly rejecting their requests to do something about school shootings.
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But, if youre praying to me in the hope Ill help stop school shootings, then no Im not helping. Because thats a job for your politicians. Im here for divine intervention, not because Americas political establishment are too dependent on the gun lobbys money.
Look, its really simple school shootings are really easy to fix, just get rid of the guns. Easy. You dont need me. Gerry needs me, and Im happy to consider helping Gerry but you folks calling for me to help with school shootings need to write a letter to your congressman and start voting against the people that wont make changes to your gun laws.
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Heh. God raises a valid point
c-rational
(2,590 posts)yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go wrong or right. Some people think they can imagine a creature which was free but had no possibility of going wrong, but I can't. If a thing is free to be good it's also free to be bad. And free will is what has made evil possible. Why, then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata - of creatures that worked like machines- would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they've got to be free.
"Of course God knew what would happen if they used their freedom the wrong way: apparently, He thought it worth the risk. (...) If God thinks this state of war in the universe a price worth paying for free will - that is, for making a real world in which creatures can do real good or harm and something of real importance can happen, instead of a toy world which only moves when He pulls the strings- then we may take it it is worth paying. -- C.S. Lewis, from "The Case for Christianity"
edhopper
(33,564 posts)with the "free will" (even though mental illness could be involved) of one person taking away the free will of 10 other people, who did not choose to die.
What a fucked up Universe he created.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Surely an Atheist isn't advocating 'deus ex machina.'
You want no God and you want no responsibility?
The gun problem and mental illness are issues requiring divine intervention?
edhopper
(33,564 posts)advocating a God that allows such evil because this mentally ill child decided to take 10 lives.
I see it as more evidence that no such "loving" God exists.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)You do not have to listen.
I wouldn't expect you to.
edhopper
(33,564 posts)There is no logic in Lewis' quote. Only more excuses for faith in a "loving God" in the face of a cruel world.
One person's "free will", even one who is mentally ill, is more important to God than innocent lives.
How anyone can worship such a God is beyond me.