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25 May 2012
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Profile: Pope's butler Paolo Gabriele
By David Willey BBC News, Rome
You may have seen pictures of Paolo Gabriele, the 46-year-old, impeccably dressed black-suited Italian arrested on suspicion of stealing secret Vatican correspondence, without recognising who he is ...
He lives with his wife and three children in a "grace and favour" apartment just inside the walls of the Vatican.
According to Fr David Scito, professor of canon law at Rome's Papal Holy Cross University, Mr Gabriele will appear before the Apostolic Tribunal, the Vatican's Criminal Court, if he is charged with a crime that has been committed inside Vatican territory.
It is very rare for an arrest and trial to be held inside the Vatican ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-18209957
dimbear
(6,271 posts)A particularly butlerish crime.
LongTomH
(8,636 posts)Calvi, sometimes known as "God's Banker was found hanging from Blackfriar's Bridge in London, with his pockets stuffed with bricks, on 18 June, 1982.
There were other mysterious 'suicides' associated with this affair: Michele Sindona, owner of the Franklin National Bank, died in prison after drinking coffee laced with cyanide; Calvi's private secretary, Graziella Corrocher, jumped to her death from a 5th floor window.
This case has been a favorite of conspiracy theorists due to the suspicion of foul play around the 'suicides' and because of the involvement of a shadowy Masonic lodge known as Propaganda Due or P2.
meow2u3
(24,761 posts)Opus Dei did it. They have a lot of double agents in that shadowy entity.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Skeptics are now expressing doubts that the only guilty party would be the only conceivably guilty person who is not in holy orders. That makes him the most acceptable scapegoat, to the extent that anyone is acceptable in this situation.
Skeptics point out further that our butler, Jeeves was his name I believe, enjoys (with his family) great privileges and would hardly risk them for what appear to be paltry sums. And the scandalmongering press isn't owning up to him as a source, but of course they wouldn't.
The alternate theory that the leaks are simply internecine warfare waged by competing powers within the church's labyrinthine power structure shines out like a light on a hill. Maybe on seven hills.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2150076/Vatican-leaks-scandal-Pope-Benedicts-butler-Paolo-Gabriele-arrested-leaked-documents.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
down toward the bottom of the article find the exculpatory testimony
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Another very skeptical observer:
http://www.businessinsider.com/something-is-really-fishy-about-the-arrest-of-the-popes-butler-2012-5
BTW, I am not as familiar as I could wish with the Italian (and in the case actually the Vatican) legal system. It seems to resemble the French system to some extent. Always something more to learn.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)dimbear
(6,271 posts)A new interpretation of the Judas legend, which evidently now portrays him as an informed whistleblower, exposing corruption in the early Christian movement.
Not so very far away from the text of the Gospel of Judas. Perhaps that rather gnostic text is coming into the canon next?
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Like so many important religious issues, it hangs from a pun. The Euros refer to the mole as 'the crow,' and now European headlines are suggesting 'there is a cardinal among the crows.' Simply put, the power motivating the butler is at the level of the cardinals, i.e., this is all in fact an attempt to carry out or perhaps to prevent a coup d'etat, replace or preserve a pope seen as weak and ineffective.
Reports that the pope is raging, and contrariwise is in tears, are not encouraging.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)Mysterious ways, my friends.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)however it may entertain DUers to know the makeup of the panel which will be questioning Jeeves. The investigative panel will be three superannuated cardinals, specifically chosen so old because necessarily they cannot vote in the upcoming papal election. Their powers are more or less unlimited, they have it within their mandate to question even other bishops or cardinals, so they ought to be well up to taking on a butler. Evidently the Pope knows exactly in whom he may trust.
Dorian Gray
(13,488 posts)and reads like a novel filled with intrigue and betrayal. It's funny that reading these stories makes me realize how filled with corruption the whole hierarchy is. It's why I focus most of my attention on the grassroots work that our local parish does. If I think about vatican or diocesan matters, I get really frustrated.
dimbear
(6,271 posts)cbayer
(146,218 posts)This could be a blockbuster.