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cbayer

(146,218 posts)
Sat May 26, 2012, 11:49 AM May 2012

Obama could have a prayer among Ohio's white evangelicals

http://articles.latimes.com/2012/may/19/nation/la-na-ohio-evangelicals-20120520

A recent gathering of religious leaders in Ohio indicates that churches don't necessarily march in lock step with the Republican Party. But certain social issues could still make it a tough sell for the president.

May 19, 2012|By Mitchell Landsberg, Los Angeles Times




CINCINNATI — The Rev. Chris Beard is a theological conservative, make no mistake about it. He believes the Bible is the word of God. He believes the Holy Spirit speaks to him directly. He believes, as an article of faith, that abortion and same-sex marriage are wrong.

Still, when a group of religious leaders in Ohio held two days of meetings in Cincinnati recently to talk about economic and racial justice, issues usually associated with the political left, there was Beard, a fourth-generation Pentecostal preacher with a disarming smile, a shaved head and a set of convictions that knock holes in the stereotypes about white evangelical Protestants.

"Conservative biblical interpretation requires embracing the text," Beard said during a break in a daylong symposium on racial equity, a special concern of his. That, he said, "might push us to what society calls progressive engagement."

White evangelical voters are widely presumed to march in lock step with the right wing of the Republican Party. The reality is more nuanced. Some, like Beard, say their faith has led them to question conservative orthodoxy on issues such as immigration, the environment and racial and economic equity.

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Obama could have a prayer among Ohio's white evangelicals (Original Post) cbayer May 2012 OP
Sorry Rev. Beard. Necessary, but insufficient. longship May 2012 #1
It is easier to hate what one does not know. cbayer May 2012 #2
That is something I've thought for a long time longship May 2012 #4
Both great series. And agree. Low key, social events put the hot-button rhetoric in a very different pinto May 2012 #6
of course he cherry picks bible parts that are to be followed and ignored nt msongs May 2012 #3
As should any thinking person. cbayer May 2012 #5
I agree. laconicsax May 2012 #8
As a resident of SW Ohio... rexcat May 2012 #7

longship

(40,416 posts)
1. Sorry Rev. Beard. Necessary, but insufficient.
Sat May 26, 2012, 12:14 PM
May 2012

To think rationally is an often difficult thing to accomplish. It takes practice and a devotion to the one thing this guy has only taken the tenuous first steps. That is to ask the question, what do the facts say is the truth?

I do not believe that anybody knows the truth. That is the big problem with political discourse today. One party is based on absolutes, the other isn't.

On LGBT rights, this guy is utterly wrong. I know that because the facts of nature say so. My opinion is informed by the facts, not the other way around. That is the difference between the Republican ideology and many people here. Republicans adjust their facts to their ideology. They use fallacious arguments to support falsified facts only because their ideology alone states what is true and what is not. In other words, they lie to support their unwavering opinions.

So kudos to this reverend for turning the corner. But I hope to see him looking down that new road. There may be sunshine and, dare I say, enlightenment down that path.

Thanks for the OP.

R&K

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
2. It is easier to hate what one does not know.
Sat May 26, 2012, 12:23 PM
May 2012

I also hope that he takes a good look down this new road and makes it a goal to open his heart to those that he sees as different.

Kind of off-topic, but I saw the author of "My Two Moms" (Zach Wahls) recently interviewed. He has this brilliant idea about inviting to dinner a GLBT couple and a straight couple who have expressed homophobia. He maintains, and I agree with him, that you can't keep hating once you have sat and had a good time with the people you are hating on. He recommends that these events not focus at all on the issue of sexual orientation, but be purely social events. I have done this in the past and can vouch for the impact.

longship

(40,416 posts)
4. That is something I've thought for a long time
Sat May 26, 2012, 01:21 PM
May 2012

Humans are a story telling species. They also have inherent empathy and sympathy for their follow humans, whether they are part of their own tribe, or not. These are inherent and are likely derived as part of our common heritage through evolutionary processes. Furthermore, it is traceable to our other primate cousins, as well as mammalian, and even many so-called lower lifeforms.

Jacob Bronowski spoke of this in his BBC/PBS series The Ascent of Man in conjunction with his explanation of quantum theory, putting it into the political context of 1930's Europe. I posted an OP earlier this week on this.

Here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002714066

Unfortunately, DU missed my point, undoubtedly due to my inability to drive home my point.

The story-telling point is one of Bronowski's main focus in these programs. The political lesson we can take from these things -- which is something all of us here at DU can learn -- is that stories are a compelling way to portray ones message.

It is why programs like Ascent of Man and Carl Sagan's Cosmos were so great.

I think Obama and, especially, Biden have learned this. I see it every day in their speeches and public appearances.

Like Bronowski's last words in the AoM I cited, We have to touch people.

If we don't do that, we're hardly better than our opposition.

As always, thanks for your thoughtful response.


on edit: sorry for my usual rambling.

pinto

(106,886 posts)
6. Both great series. And agree. Low key, social events put the hot-button rhetoric in a very different
Sat May 26, 2012, 02:21 PM
May 2012

light. I still chuckle at finding out my partner and BIL had their own separate relationship...getting together to watch a football game together. Good natured ribbing, each supporting one team or the other, snacks, etc - just what millions of folks do.

 

laconicsax

(14,860 posts)
8. I agree.
Sat May 26, 2012, 06:45 PM
May 2012

I seem to recall, however, that you once took great exception to my saying the same thing in this very group.

rexcat

(3,622 posts)
7. As a resident of SW Ohio...
Sat May 26, 2012, 06:03 PM
May 2012

(that would be the Cincinnati metro area) this is wishfully thinking at least in this part of the state. The rural parts of the state will go for Romney, Cleveland and Toledo should go for Obama. Cincinnati metro area will go Romney. Dayton, Akron, Youngstown and Canton are a toss up. Religion will not play a major roll in Ohio as it did in 2004. It is all about the economy.

Currently the Governor's office, State Senate and House of Representatives are all republican with a near super majority in the House and Sen tate. Racism is on the rise in the state. That said, the current governor (Kasick) is not much liked both by either political party.

There are evangelical protestants who will vote for Obama, there are some evangelical protestants who will not vote for Obama or the morman, and there are a bunch of evangelical protestants who will vote for Romney. They might hold their nose but their dislike of Obama is too great.

Obama does not need Ohio to win the election but it would be nice but no republican has ever taken the Presidency without Ohio. It is a swing state and a bellweather state for the republicans (but not the Democrats).

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