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Major Nikon

(36,827 posts)
Fri Sep 7, 2018, 01:35 PM Sep 2018

Why do some people engage in Strawman nonsense?

Despite the great risk of getting an 18th commandment bullshit call, this is probably worth mentioning.

Quite often the link to the published definition of what the strawman fallacy is doesn't seem to be resonating with a few here, so it's probably worth describing what it is and how it's anything but clever as the authors of strawman rhetoric seem to think.

The term refers to building a strawman and then burning it down. In other words the only thing you accomplished is destroying something of your own making.

The fallacy contains 4 basic steps:

1) State an argument
2) Falsely attribute said argument to your opponent(s)
3) Refute said argument
4) Pretend you refuted your opponent(s) argument

When dealing with someone who employs strawman nonsense, the best approach is simply to point out why their tactic is a strawman fallacy. Engaging in the strawman simply further validates it, at least in the mind of the employer of such intellectual dishonesty.

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Why do some people engage in Strawman nonsense? (Original Post) Major Nikon Sep 2018 OP
Nonsense well describes your post. guillaumeb Sep 2018 #1
Yeah, but what about... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #2
About your post marylandblue Sep 2018 #8
If you really want your mind to be blown... Major Nikon Sep 2018 #9
My job here is... NeoGreen Sep 2018 #13
Sounds like the voice of a guilty conscience Major Nikon Sep 2018 #5
Ok please explain how the op is a straw man argument. Voltaire2 Sep 2018 #12
K&R for the clear definition of the strawman fallacy. emulatorloo Sep 2018 #3
Perhaps because it works, unfortunately. DavidDvorkin Sep 2018 #4
Because much of the time these "discussions" aren't discussions at all... Act_of_Reparation Sep 2018 #6
...or too fictional Major Nikon Sep 2018 #7
But they send him numerous personal messages! Mariana Sep 2018 #10
Once you have one imaginary friend, the rest come naturally Major Nikon Sep 2018 #11

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
1. Nonsense well describes your post.
Fri Sep 7, 2018, 01:42 PM
Sep 2018

And, in an instance of unintentional irony, the post itself is a strawman.

Well done, in spite of yourself.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
8. About your post
Fri Sep 7, 2018, 04:59 PM
Sep 2018

You asked what about a post about whataboutism in response to a whataboutism accusing a post about strawmanism of being a strawman.

This must be the Mind Blowing Meta Fallacy. Consider my mind successfully blown.

emulatorloo

(44,178 posts)
3. K&R for the clear definition of the strawman fallacy.
Fri Sep 7, 2018, 01:57 PM
Sep 2018

Sometimes it seems like the strawman fallacy and OTT hyperbole are the fuel DU runs on. Gets tiresome.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
6. Because much of the time these "discussions" aren't discussions at all...
Fri Sep 7, 2018, 04:40 PM
Sep 2018

...but performance art put on, we are to believe, for an audience too scared or too tombstoned to particapte here.

Mariana

(14,860 posts)
10. But they send him numerous personal messages!
Fri Sep 7, 2018, 05:46 PM
Sep 2018

His adoring public send him numerous personal messages, asking him to continue doing what he is doing, and praising his efforts in this group.

Who would make up a story like that?

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