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Towlie

(5,305 posts)
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 09:58 PM Sep 2019

Are all Mormons considered saints?

From the Salt Lake Tribune: Trump taps Latter-day Saint as new national security adviser

O'Brien is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...


The implication seems to be that as a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Robert O'Brien is therefore a saint. Is that how it works?
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Are all Mormons considered saints? (Original Post) Towlie Sep 2019 OP
only by other Mormons eShirl Sep 2019 #1
And they have to be men, and white, I'm guessing. nt Laffy Kat Sep 2019 #8
Yeah, in LDS doctrine any follower of the doctrine is termed a saint. Triloon Sep 2019 #2
Yeah.... mbusby Sep 2019 #3
lol olol o l pangaia Sep 2019 #5
They do in my town Major Nikon Sep 2019 #9
i live not too far from Hill kamorah, or whatever it is.. pangaia Sep 2019 #4
Look up Captain Cook stories from the early 1800s FreeState Oct 2019 #13
Fun anecdote from my childhood... Moostache Sep 2019 #6
Those males in good standing Wellstone ruled Sep 2019 #7
Yes. Joeseph Smith received a fax from god that says so Major Nikon Sep 2019 #10
Considered Saints by Whom? MineralMan Sep 2019 #11
Mormonism doesn't even believe in Saints FreeState Oct 2019 #14
I believe you misread the original post AND my reply. MineralMan Oct 2019 #15
Saint means member in LDS beliefs FreeState Oct 2019 #16
Saint is a word in every English dictionary. MineralMan Oct 2019 #17
Cults redefine terms as much as Trump does FreeState Oct 2019 #18
I heard every cop is a criminal edhopper Sep 2019 #12

Triloon

(506 posts)
2. Yeah, in LDS doctrine any follower of the doctrine is termed a saint.
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:10 PM
Sep 2019

It has nothing to do with any particularly saintly behavior or piety. Just the term for one baptized in the faith.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
4. i live not too far from Hill kamorah, or whatever it is..
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:27 PM
Sep 2019

once on a sunday drive i stopped in with my wife,.. almost nobody there.. we were offered a tour. of the building.. like a museum.... and accepted.. some really old guy in a suit, with a think tie with a gold horizontal tie clasp, as i remember,, who smelled musty... ( I'm almopst 76 so no wisecracks, please...)


i tell you friends, it was beyond the pale...

that's all i can say... we DID manage to keep from laughing...
Now this is not, i guess, to disparage mormons here... well i guess it does, but what can I say... i am just going by that 20 minute experience..

FreeState

(10,547 posts)
13. Look up Captain Cook stories from the early 1800s
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 07:22 PM
Oct 2019

Moroni and Camorah were both stolen from those stories (it’s an island country off the coast of NE Africa).

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
6. Fun anecdote from my childhood...
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 10:39 PM
Sep 2019

I once asked my dad "why do they call the people in Utah 'morons' dad?"
He replied, without missing a beat, "Because of their weird church."

I think I was 7 or 8 at the time...so glad to still have my dad with us! Cheers to you old man!

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
7. Those males in good standing
Wed Sep 18, 2019, 11:16 PM
Sep 2019

who profess to the Mormon Faith,are generally referred as Saintly thus Saints.

MineralMan

(146,116 posts)
11. Considered Saints by Whom?
Thu Sep 19, 2019, 04:51 PM
Sep 2019

I don't believe that any "saints" exist or have ever existed. So, from my perspective, no.

FreeState

(10,547 posts)
14. Mormonism doesn't even believe in Saints
Sat Oct 12, 2019, 07:24 PM
Oct 2019

Every member is a “saint”. The LDS Church doesn’t believe in Saints like the Catholic Church does - on any level.

MineralMan

(146,116 posts)
15. I believe you misread the original post AND my reply.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 09:48 AM
Oct 2019

There is a conflict in your saying that LDS "doesn't even believe in Saints" but at the same time believes every member is a saint. I didn't define what a saint is, but clearly the LDS church does believe in them, since it's part of the name of the church.

FreeState

(10,547 posts)
16. Saint means member in LDS beliefs
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:56 PM
Oct 2019

Sorry I wasn’t very being clear - I was born and raised in the church. I was trying to distinguish that Mormon term “saints” doean not match what most religions define the word to mean. In fact growing up we were taught Catholics and other faiths that “worship” saints or pray to them is wrong.

Sorry I wasn’t too clear.

MineralMan

(146,116 posts)
17. Saint is a word in every English dictionary.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:01 PM
Oct 2019

People don't get to redefine it for others who don't follow a particular faith. How LDSers define it is irrelevant to me, since I'm an atheist of 50 years standing. I know a number of definitions of the word "saint," and none of them have anything to do with the LDS church.

FreeState

(10,547 posts)
18. Cults redefine terms as much as Trump does
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 04:04 PM
Oct 2019

With English it really doesn’t matter what is in the dictionary when it comes to cults.

https://www.deseret.com/1997/10/5/19337527/lds-fit-saint-definition

*edited to add I’m also an atheist.

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