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Fri Jul 27, 2012, 11:57 AM

Catholic Church Blatantly Discriminates Against Gay Couple In Property Sale

The Catholic Church has been caught both lying and openly discriminating against a gay couple in Massachusetts. James Fairbanks and Alain Beret were planning to purchase a mansion and surrounding property from the Diocese of Worcester in Northbridge, MA, in hopes of renovating it into a banquet hall, and the deal was negotiated. Last month, the pair was notified they’d have to renegotiate because of additional costs for a sprinkler system, so they made a new offer that should have satisfied everyone, but the diocese suddenly backed out to pursue “other plans.”

Monsignor Thomas Sullivan, who overseas property sales for the diocese explained that Fairbanks and Beret “couldn’t come up with the money,” but he accidentally included an email to the broker with a very different explanation:

I just went down the hall and discussed it with the bishop. Because of the potentiality of gay marriages there, something you shared with us yesterday, we are not interested in going forward with these buyers. I think they’re shaky anyway. So, just tell them that we will not accept their revised plan and the Diocese is making new plans for the property. You find the language.


Beret and Fairbanks never declared that they were married, but even if they were not gay, the potentiality for same-sex marriages to take place at the mansion would be no different. Massachusetts law prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation, and Beret says he will fight: “For the sake of my dignity, I’m not walking away.”

http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/07/26/593861/catholic-church-discrimination/?mobile=nc

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cleanhippie Jul 2012 OP
xchrom Jul 2012 #1
cleanhippie Jul 2012 #2
skepticscott Jul 2012 #6
MineralMan Jul 2012 #3
2ndAmForComputers Jul 2012 #4
Marrah_G Jul 2012 #5
Greatest I am Jul 2012 #7
cbayer Jul 2012 #8
Greatest I am Aug 2012 #16
Humanist_Activist Aug 2012 #19
LeftishBrit Jul 2012 #9
Greatest I am Aug 2012 #17
ButterflyBlood Jul 2012 #10
Greatest I am Aug 2012 #18
Bradical79 Jul 2012 #11
Plantaganet Jul 2012 #12
Greatest I am Jul 2012 #13
Plantaganet Aug 2012 #14
Greatest I am Aug 2012 #15

Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:06 PM

1. ...

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Response to xchrom (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 01:12 PM

2. And yet, even here, where Liberals and Progressive congregate...

we have members who continue to support and defend this terrible organization.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 09:09 PM

6. It wouldn't surprise me to see a few

 

chiming in to this thread, and lying like a carpet when they do.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 02:59 PM

3. Lovely...just lovely.

Way to go, folks. More evidence that the leadership of that church don't actually believe their own religion. If they actually did, they'd be frightened to death about the consequences of their actions.

I hope the prospective buyers win their case. They should follow up on this, especially given MA laws and the disclosure by the Bishop in that email. No-brainer.

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:01 PM

4. NTS in 3... 2... 1...

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Fri Jul 27, 2012, 05:54 PM

5. That is against the law in the state of MA

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 12:52 PM

7. If believers

If believers were interested in morals instead of 3, 000 yr. old gogma and tradition, they would demand that the church does the right thing.

Believers do not care about their morals.

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DL

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Response to Greatest I am (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 12:54 PM

8. That's a pretty broad rush statement.

Last edited Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Do you really think that all believers have no regard for morals?

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Response to cbayer (Reply #8)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:13 PM

16. Ok. All those who believe in Jesus.

Anyone who believes that God would have his son murdered to forghive sin instead of God finding a moral way and trying to use Jesus as their scapegoat into heaven are immoral as they are saying that God will accept bribes and that it is good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty.

That is immoral.

How manyt Christians are not trying to profit from Jesus' murder by God?

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

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DL

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Response to cbayer (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 5, 2012, 08:44 AM

19. Not when it contradicts their god's morals....

 

Their god is given greater consideration than EVERYTHING else, including morals, decency, and people.

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Response to Greatest I am (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:42 PM

9. As an atheist and strong supporter of secularism, I still find that a bit of a broadbrush statement

'Believers do not care about their morals'.

SOME believers do not care about their morals. To say it about all believers is just like saying it about all atheists, or about a specific religious group.

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Response to LeftishBrit (Reply #9)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:16 PM

17. Look above.

I just replied to this same remark above. Please have a look and see if you agree with the logic.

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DL

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Response to Greatest I am (Reply #7)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:48 PM

10. I certainly care about morals, which is why I renounced the Catholic church a long time ago

I don't care about its 2000 year old dogma and tradition either.

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Response to ButterflyBlood (Reply #10)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:17 PM

18. Those who do will follow you.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.

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DL

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 04:20 PM

11. They've always been discriminatory

 

For nearly 2000 years the church has been lying and discriminating against homosexuals. It's a fundamentally bigoted organization from its earliest years. While I am glad at the number of Catholics who reject the more discriminatory teachings of their religion these days, I'm not sure I understand any moral justification of continuing to give the church their time and money.

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Response to Bradical79 (Reply #11)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 08:10 PM

12. Yes x 1000 n/t

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Response to cleanhippie (Original post)

Mon Jul 30, 2012, 09:23 PM

13. Gays ok in old church

No argument with those against church discrimination.

http://christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/whensamesexmarriagewasachristianrite.html

Let me add this link and ask if any have further ancient documentation strengthening the ideas shown?

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DL

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Response to Greatest I am (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:38 AM

14. Which means that...

...at some point, rather than standing up for gays, they sold us out.

Which also means that they'll do so again.

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Response to Plantaganet (Reply #14)

Fri Aug 3, 2012, 03:06 PM

15. That

Most likely. Depending on fashion and styles of the day.

We should remember that ---- by the numbers, women have fared much worse.

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DL

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