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Related: About this forumCatholic Church Blatantly Discriminates Against Gay Couple In Property Sale
Monsignor Thomas Sullivan, who overseas property sales for the diocese explained that Fairbanks and Beret couldnt come up with the money, but he accidentally included an email to the broker with a very different explanation:
I just went down the hall and discussed it with the bishop. Because of the potentiality of gay marriages there, something you shared with us yesterday, we are not interested in going forward with these buyers. I think theyre shaky anyway. So, just tell them that we will not accept their revised plan and the Diocese is making new plans for the property. You find the language.
Beret and Fairbanks never declared that they were married, but even if they were not gay, the potentiality for same-sex marriages to take place at the mansion would be no different. Massachusetts law prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation, and Beret says he will fight: For the sake of my dignity, Im not walking away.
http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2012/07/26/593861/catholic-church-discrimination/?mobile=nc
xchrom
(108,903 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)we have members who continue to support and defend this terrible organization.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)chiming in to this thread, and lying like a carpet when they do.
MineralMan
(146,192 posts)Way to go, folks. More evidence that the leadership of that church don't actually believe their own religion. If they actually did, they'd be frightened to death about the consequences of their actions.
I hope the prospective buyers win their case. They should follow up on this, especially given MA laws and the disclosure by the Bishop in that email. No-brainer.
2ndAmForComputers
(3,527 posts)Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)Greatest I am
(235 posts)If believers were interested in morals instead of 3, 000 yr. old gogma and tradition, they would demand that the church does the right thing.
Believers do not care about their morals.
Regards
DL
cbayer
(146,218 posts)Last edited Mon Jul 30, 2012, 01:44 PM - Edit history (1)
Do you really think that all believers have no regard for morals?
Greatest I am
(235 posts)Anyone who believes that God would have his son murdered to forghive sin instead of God finding a moral way and trying to use Jesus as their scapegoat into heaven are immoral as they are saying that God will accept bribes and that it is good to punish the innocent instead of the guilty.
That is immoral.
How manyt Christians are not trying to profit from Jesus' murder by God?
It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.
If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?
God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.
This then begs the question.
What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?
Only an insane God. Thats who.
The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing its immorality.
One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.
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DL
Humanist_Activist
(7,670 posts)Their god is given greater consideration than EVERYTHING else, including morals, decency, and people.
LeftishBrit
(41,192 posts)'Believers do not care about their morals'.
SOME believers do not care about their morals. To say it about all believers is just like saying it about all atheists, or about a specific religious group.
Greatest I am
(235 posts)I just replied to this same remark above. Please have a look and see if you agree with the logic.
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DL
ButterflyBlood
(12,644 posts)I don't care about its 2000 year old dogma and tradition either.
Greatest I am
(235 posts)It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or God damned sin.
If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?
God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.
This then begs the question.
What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?
Only an insane God. Thats who.
The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing its immorality.
One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women.
They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.
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Regards
DL
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)For nearly 2000 years the church has been lying and discriminating against homosexuals. It's a fundamentally bigoted organization from its earliest years. While I am glad at the number of Catholics who reject the more discriminatory teachings of their religion these days, I'm not sure I understand any moral justification of continuing to give the church their time and money.
Plantaganet
(241 posts)Greatest I am
(235 posts)No argument with those against church discrimination.
http://christianity-revealed.com/cr/files/whensamesexmarriagewasachristianrite.html
Let me add this link and ask if any have further ancient documentation strengthening the ideas shown?
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DL
Plantaganet
(241 posts)...at some point, rather than standing up for gays, they sold us out.
Which also means that they'll do so again.
Greatest I am
(235 posts)Most likely. Depending on fashion and styles of the day.
We should remember that ---- by the numbers, women have fared much worse.
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DL