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Andries Sibiya even went so far as to pay his wife lobola to be able to live with his daughter as his wife, reported Beeld.
He used the Bible and selected pieces of the Old Testament to justify his actions and to intimidate his daughter and wife into submission, said the regional magistrate in sentencing.
Sibiya was known as the wheelchair rapist as he insisted on appearing in court in a wheelchair, even though he was able to walk.
Sibiya was described by the court as a domineering person who manipulated his family and instilled fear in them and over a period of 9 years had sex with his daughter two to three times a week.
He was found guilty on 9 charges of rape but could have been found guilty of hundreds of charges of rapes, said the magistrate.
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Dad-used-Bible-to-justify-sex-with-daughter-20120919
Well, it IS in the bible, the infallible word of god...
immoderate
(20,885 posts)But the bible says you can have sex with them, I haven't heard that.
--imm
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Agnosticsherbet
(11,619 posts)He tuned into a shower of gold and raped another.
Mythological stories are full of crap like that.
Apparently, he was a Christian and not a ancient Greek.
But mythology is mythology.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Second Where in the history of our civilization did a daughter ever rape her father? One instance, One ? The misanthrope should give his wheelchair away and crawl.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Maybe he should have been a catholic priest instead?
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)If he thought his neighbors would believe the tea leaves told him to do it, he would have read messages from tea leaves to them; if he thought his neighbors would believe he had to do this because of the warranty on his refrigerator, he would have carefully explained some crazy-ass interpretation of the warranty on his refrigerator to them all
He picked an easily manipulated woman as his wife because he likes to manipulate people, so she went along with his bull
It seems the larger society decided not to go along with his bull and sent him away
If he thinks his cellmates will believe the cockroaches are telling him what to do, he'll be passing along messages from the cockroaches to them all
trotsky
(49,533 posts)How can you possibly claim to know what this asshole would or would not have believed or done?
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)around my environs, thus enabling me to read the minds of assholes everywhere, whenever I get the urge!
The bad news is that reading the minds of assholes is a very easy skill to learn, but it is not actually very enjoyable or productive, and (worse!) the skill is much easier to learn than to unlearn, so now I frequently have to exert a major effort to keep various assholes' thoughts from intruding into my consciousness
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)But you pretend you can when it will help you try to make a point.
Thanks for the clarification!
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)chuang tzu and hui tzu
walk beside the hao river dam
chuang tzu:
see the little fish
how they enjoy darting about!
hui tzu:
you not being a fish
how could you know what the fish enjoy?
chuang tzu:
you not being me
how could you know i don't know what the fish enjoy?
hui tzu:
i not being you
cannot know what you know
just as you not being a fish
cannot know what the fish enjoy!
chuang tzu:
when you asked
how i could know what the fish enjoy
you already knew I knew
i know because i am here
beside the hao river dam
trotsky
(49,533 posts)then you'll know what I think about your attempt at diversion.
rug
(82,333 posts)orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)(3) being, there is a veritable gold-mine of incoherent, morally ambiguous, and contradictory gibberish in The Bible.
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)They (thankfully) picked different parts than he did.
Plenty of Christians act like pompous, arrogant, insulting assholes yet consider themselves to be paragons of progressivism and tolerance. They ignore the bits where Jesus said to love your enemies, act humbly, turn the other cheek, and all that jazz. Naw, not when there are people to mock or insult!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Thanks.
rug
(82,333 posts)Do you actually think these stories serve as an indictment of religion in general, and Christianity in particular?
You're examining a cancer cell to describe an organism.
ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)People don't live their lives, and try to compel others to as well, based on various versions/perversion of cancer cells. Cancer is not a choice open to interpretation.
rug
(82,333 posts)You don't use disease to describe an organism or a species.
And if you think these rapes are the product of scriptural interpretation, I suggest you study pathology first.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)even when they believe. It is an overwhelming meme that being a (insert religion here, but in this country it is most definitely christian) somehow makes one a better, more honest, caring, and ethical person. It's the default position of assumption. And its bullshit. And I suppose I will keep posting these until one's belief, or lack of it, is used as a measure of one's character.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)Some of the best people I know are atheists, my wife included and ethics, altruism and honesty have nothing to do with religion.
kwassa
(23,340 posts)some of the best people I know are atheists, or at least agnostic.
and, altruism and honesty can have a great deal to do with religion. But not always. For many Christians, it is the source of their altruism and honesty.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)learning Forgiveness is for me, not the person I'm forgiving, Judge not in the hope of being forgiven, loving your enemies doesn't mean you succumb to them, it means you show kind to their ignorance when you beat them, like republicans loving them isn't hard and agreeing with them will remain impossible.
orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)speak for God and never listen or see.
rug
(82,333 posts)When I go to church I see a roomful of human, impefect, and often humbled people. That's why they're there and that's why the building is there.
I suppose you can choose to say Christians are the epitome of the boastful Pharisee. If you run into them, you can either stay with them and hurl your anger at them, or, move on and see what it's really about. Personally, I don't like wasting time with hypocrites and assholes.
Matthew 9 is the heart of it.
12 On hearing this, Jesus said, It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: I desire mercy, not sacrifice. For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)My point, rug, is that in this society, being a believer somehow gets one the assumption that they are a more compassionate, caring, and ethical human than someone who does not believe the same thing or does not believe at all. These stories serve to show that that is in fact, simply not the case. And until we all stop making that assumption, these stories will continue to be held up to the light of day.
A level playing field is all that is being asked for. Why should people need to fight so hard just to get a fair shake?
rug
(82,333 posts)I have ever made that assumption and, frankly, I don't know many that do.
Nor do I make the asumption that atheists are rational, skeptical, logical, progressive and correct. It all depends on who and what you're talking about.
Generally, I agree with you that everyone should have a level playing field but, not to fall into the republican trap, many people need a boost to get onto the field in the first place.
In any event, I would not make any assumptions, or extrapolations, based on this or any other rapist.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)You appear to be extremely agile at connecting unrelated dots. Do you think all dogs should be blamed for the crimes of David Berkowitz?
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cleanhippie
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dmallind
(10,437 posts)Do you actually think these stories serve as an indictment of atheism in general, and organized athism in particular?
rug
(82,333 posts)Which is usually the case when you shed stereotypical thinking.
Some things these organizations do are quite stupid (which is not indictable), some commendable, always fascinating.
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bluerum
(6,109 posts)Even twisted rapist daughter fucking psychopaths can get some mileage out of it.
skor584_2il
(21 posts)lock him up for life