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rug

(82,333 posts)
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 10:23 AM Oct 2012

Atheist conservatives and libertarians are not rare

October 16th, 2012
by Razib Khan

A generous definition of rare I would think is 10% or less (you might argue for a more stringent threshold, but let’s work with 10%). So what are the politics of atheists? I bring this up because someone named Bridget Gaudette is looking for conservative and libertarian atheists to ask them about their views (so naturally I came up), but prefaced her inquiry to me by the assertion that “conservative/Republican” and “Libertarian” individuals in the “Atheist community” are rare. I don’t think this is empirically valid, depending on how you define the atheist community (e.g., atheist activists are probably to the Left of the median atheist). But even among the types who are motivated enough to attend secularist conferences, a substantial minority are non-liberals. I know because many people approached me after I spoke about my conservatism at the Moving Secularism Forward event last spring, and expressed their libertarianism, or specific conservative heterodoxies. Many of the young male atheists who I encountered in particular tended to be libertarians. Genuine self-identified conservatives are moderately rare, to be fair.

Nevertheless, to probe this question let’s look at the GSS. The variable GOD has a category which includes those who frankly state they “don’t believe” in God. These are by any definition atheists. I limited the data set to 1992 and later so as to take into account the reality that American politics have become more polarized over the past generation along religious lines (I would have used 2000, but the sample sizes started to get small for atheists).





As we’d expect atheists lean liberal and Democrat. But >20% of atheists in this data set identify as Republicans or conservatives. I think the conservative identification is somewhat misleading. Many of the “conservatives” are actually libertarian. That’s obvious because though atheists are diverse in relation to fiscal issues, they tend to be liberal on social issues. To give an example, let’s look at the difference between atheists and those who “know God exists” in the GSS on a social and fiscal issue.





Atheists are to the Left on fiscal issues, but only very slightly. Rather, where they are distinctive is their strong social liberalism. In some ways they are an appropriate comparison with black Americans. On social issues black Americans are diverse, with a median in the middle of the distribution. But on fiscal issues they tend to be more liberal (and skeptical of free market policies, which include free trade). Both atheists and blacks are strongly Democratic leaning constituencies, but for somewhat different reasons.

http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/gnxp/2012/10/atheist-conservatives-and-libertarians-are-not-rare/

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cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
2. I am unsure about just what, if anything, this proves.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:14 PM
Oct 2012


Add in the fact that since 1992, things have changed dramatically, I really have no idea exactly what the point of this article is.

dmallind

(10,437 posts)
3. The point from whose POV?
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:21 PM
Oct 2012

From the writer? To validate himself as a conservative atheist and to seek comfort and support by emphasizing that there are others I would imagine.

From the poster? Another misguided flailing attempt to make atheists look bad, natch. What else?

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
4. Either, I guess.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 12:26 PM
Oct 2012

The writer? You may have it nailed.

The person who posted the OP? Perhaps he could fill us in?

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
6. Surveys rarely prove anything.
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:21 PM
Oct 2012

I think it does show though that the notion that atheists are reliably progressive is an overstatement.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
5. Atheist conservatives and libertarians are not rare
Wed Oct 17, 2012, 02:14 PM
Oct 2012

But Atheist conservatives and libertarians with any say so in anything are rare. Dems and progressives too.

So who cares?

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