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Related: About this forumAfter gay marriage successes, activists look to build on new faith outreach techniques
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Faith-based activists in Minnesota helped defeat a proposed gay marriage ban there this month.
November 30th, 2012
06:00 AM ET
After gay marriage successes, activists look to build on new faith outreach techniques
By Dan Merica, CNN
(CNN) It may not sound very powerful, but gay rights activist Debra Peevey said that a two-inch green button played a major role in convincing voters to legalize gay marriage this month in her home state of Washington.
Another Person of Faith Approves R. 74, said the button, which refers to the ballot initiative that wound up legalizing gay marriage in Washington.
As faith director for the statewide pro-gay marriage campaign, Washington United for Marriage, Peevey and her team distributed 5,000 of the buttons. They were conversation starters, she said, ways of letting people know they could relate to one another on the intimate level of religion. And that being religious didnt meant you had to oppose gay marriage.
We had people clamoring for the buttons, Peevey said. People of faith all over the state wore them. It amplified that perspective that people of faith do, in fact, support marriage equality.
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trotsky
(49,533 posts)to where non-believers have been for quite some time. Progress is good.
But if it's wrong for conservatives to oppose & seek to ban gay marriage for religious reasons, then it's wrong to advocate for it based on religion too. We can win on this issue by appealing to facts: equality, freedom, etc. That's what was done here in Minnesota.
pinto
(106,886 posts)The often overlooked point - no state or federal law ensuring marriage equality would apply to church doctrine. One way or the other. The state can't force any church to provide marriage ceremonies for same sex couples, nor can they stop any church from offering the ceremonies. Legislation is a civil matter. I think that's a winning tack - side step the red herring laid out by religious opponents to same sex marriages. Clearly and succinctly.
That said, it's my understanding that the state also can't block any church from advocating their doctrinal position, pro or con. I think that falls within the 1st Amendment -
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
SCOTUS has a long list of interpretations and re-interpretations on the application of the 1st Amendment. They've clearly taken the stand that a church can't endorse a political candidate (a standard often ignored). It seems endorsement or opposition to specific legislation is a more fluid situation, especially if it happens in a public, i.e. outside the church, setting where counter points can be publicly made.
My take - let faith based groups make their case in the public square of discourse. I don't think that's wrong.
I think conservative religious opposition to marriage equality is in itself wrong. I think the support from other religious groups is in itself right.
Kind of a convoluted reply. Your post made me take another look or two.
Agree, progress is good. And on this issue inevitable, imho.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)And I would note, this isn't about silencing religious viewpoints. You, personally, may believe whatever you want. But the religious argument cannot be the primary or even a significant part of the justification for a policy. Legitimizing one religious viewpoint as a justification for policy legitimizes them all. That's the point that few in this group seem to understand or perhaps even want to acknowledge.
pinto
(106,886 posts)And it essentially re-frames the issue for the broadest and most politically sound support.
I disagree with this -
"But if it's wrong for conservatives to oppose & seek to ban gay marriage for religious reasons, then it's wrong to advocate for it based on religion too."
I think the whole spectrum has the 1st Amendment right to make their cases in public forums. Don't support denying any of them. So I see it just the other way around. Folks can make up their own minds and this past election has clearly seen that means support for equality.
trotsky
(49,533 posts)This isn't about banning opinions, it's about using religion to justify public policy. That has no place in a secular state like ours - if you want laws based on religion, move to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
pinto
(106,886 posts)I agree with some advocacy points, disagree with some advocacy points. Find it frustrating that the religious right is given such prominence in the media. I would love to see some balance. Still, I realize everyone's right to the public square.
If religion is explicitly used in enacting public policy, i.e. legislation, then I agree. It should be challenged or overturned on those grounds. We are a secular state.
(aside) I've no interest in religiously based legislation. And no interest in moving to Iran or Saudi Arabia.
Plantaganet
(241 posts)They could stay out of politics completely. Like they're meant to.
cbayer
(146,218 posts)who is apparently unfamiliar with the Consitution or the First Amendment.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I belong to a liberal denomination, and we have plenty to say about politics. Should we not say anything on it.
I would agree that some of these churches and politicians are in bed together, and it is not a good thing at all. Some of these people show no compatibility to what Jesus preached.