Gay Bishop Comes Up With the Worst Argument to Support Same-Sex Marriage

[cleanhippie]

crosspost from GD

The opposition to LGBT rights in general, and to same-sex marriage in particular, overwhelmingly comes from conservative religion, founded in the religious belief that gay sex makes baby Jesus cry. So if same-sex marriage proponents want to persuade religious believers to support same-sex marriage... how can we do that? Should we keep our argument entirely secular, and stay away from the whole question of religious belief? Or should we try to persuade them that God is on our side?

Lots of people make the second argument. Bishop Gene Robinson is one of them. And Bishop Robinson is a man to be taken seriously. The first openly gay bishop in the Episcopal Church, Bishop Robinson has been active in progressive political activism for many years: he is a fellow at the Center for American Progress, is co-author of three AIDS education curricula for youth and adults, has done AIDS work in the United States and in Africa, and famously delivered the invocation at President Obama's opening inaugural ceremonies in 2009. He's recently written a book, published by Knopf and widely reviewed and well-received: God Believes in Love: Straight Talk About Gay Marriage. Aimed at religious believers who oppose same-sex marriage or are on the fence about it, the book makes a Christian case for same-sex marriage: "a commonsense, reasoned, religious argument made by someone who holds the religious text of the Bible to be holy and sacred and the ensuing two millennia of church history to be relevant to the discussion."

And I think this is a terrible, terrible idea.

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But the argument he makes in his new book, God Believes in Love, disturbs me greatly. I am deeply disturbed by the idea that God, or any sort of religious or spiritual belief, should have anything to do with the question of same-sex marriage. I am deeply disturbed by the idea that any decision about politics, law, public policy, or morality should ever be based on what's supposedly going on in God's head. I agree completely with Bishop Robinson's conclusion about same-sex marriage -- but I am passionately opposed to the method by which he's reached it, and the arguments he's making to advance it.

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But my problem is not, "God doesn't exist, therefore 'what God wants' is a ridiculous thing to worry about." My problem is this: When we base our political/legal/moral decisions on what we think God wants, we have no way of knowing if we're right. When we base our decisions on what we think God wants, we have no basis for resolving our differences. Religion is based on faith -- and faith, by definition, is uniquely resistant to evidence. Even at its best, faith ultimately comes down to, "I feel it in my heart." And if someone else feels something entirely different in their heart about God's intentions, we have no means of persuading them that they're mistaken. For that matter, we have no means of being persuaded ourselves if we're mistaken. When we base our decisions on what we think God wants, it's ultimately no different from basing our decisions on what we want... reinforced and amplified by the conviction that our wishes dovetail with God's, and made more stubbornly resistant to change by the fundamental irrationality of religious faith.

http://www.alternet.org/belief/gay-bishop-comes-worst-argument-support-same-sex-marriage

[Tien1985]

1. I know him--

Gene Robinson. He came up and made the rounds here in Maine last year, when we were trying to win marriage.

He is a nice man, though he and I have some major differences in beliefs. Though I would prefer to keep religion out of government, many people in the US are religious and make their decisions in life based on their religious beliefs. The religious coalitions that fought for marriage equality here in Maine made an incredible impact. I know people who changed their mind, solely because they saw religious leaders who said God approved.

I don't exactly know what to say about it. It isn't how it should be--but this is how it is right now. I'd rather get equal rights first, and then argue about the need to separate religious beliefs and law.

Equality Maine, an organization that was spear heading our campaign learned a lot about when they ran the whole thing on "changing the hearts and minds of our neighbors". Truthfully, I wasn't a fan of what I saw as a very weak approach. But it worked. I want to marry more than I care about what made my neighbor decide to allow it.