The Hopi Tablets given by the Bearded Brother

[Anonymousecoview]

The Hopi Tablets belong to the Bear Clan and the Fire Clan of the Hopi First Nations of Arizona. They have remained with certain families in sacred bundles for hundreds of years until the Hopi new with the fulfillment of certain signs it was time to offer these tablets as a gift to the world. Are these tablets a recipe for the restoration of the Earth as we face the global warming crisis?

Come and see...
http://www.scribd.com/doc/129157597/The-Hopi-Tablet-Mystery

[madrchsod]

1. welcome...a very interesting post.

ancient myths and their basis in reality is one of my favorite 'hobbies'

[Anonymousecoview]

2. The Hopi give me hope that dreams can be reality

The Hopi believe the Creator wishes to use their story as a means to help purify the earth. If the saying, "the meek shall inherit the earth" is true, then so is their humble ambition.

[defacto7]

3. Thank you Anonymousecoview

I have always appreciated the Hopi respect for the earth and their peaceful view of life. They represent the best hopes for the heart of mankind. Could there be any more diametrically opposed views that those of corporate America and the Hopi?

[Anonymousecoview]

5. We all have a heart

Deep down we all want a better world...

[skepticscott]

4. In a word

No. Feel-goody, perhaps, but that's all.

[trotsky]

6. Fallacy

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Appeal_to_ancient_wisdom

[G_j]

7. your link states that because something

is ancient, doesn't make it true. But neither does that make it false.

[trotsky]

8. Nope, those asserting its truth must make their case.

It's not my responsibility to prove it false. Look up "burden of proof."

[Anonymousecoview]

10. The Creator is our Center of Balance

In proper balance (from the Original One, the Great Mystery), wisdom proves itself in experience; such experiences motivate the heart; the heart expands to guide others towards an active share in the designs of the Creator.

[trotsky]

17. Please substantiate the claims you are making.

You can start by providing the evidence of this "creator" of which you speak. Thanks!

BTW, are your books for sale?

[Anonymousecoview]

21. The argument of First Cause is one example

Link of first cause
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmological_argument
The substance of the claims of validity of Hopi prophecy comes from their relationship to Hopi tradition and the parallel with unfolding of current events based on the 9 Hopi prophecies being fulfilled today.
The fulfillment brings Hope in a time of desperation for many. That Hope motivates us to change before it is too late.

[trotsky]

22. A very poor example, yes. And one that's been thoroughly discredited.

http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/theism/cosmological.html

There are several problems with this argument. The most crucial objection to the argument itself is that unless we know that premise 2 is true, the argument fails. If the universe is infinitely old, for instance, every thing could indeed be caused by something else before it; the series of causes could go back forever. But perhaps more importantly, one could hold that the argument succeeds without believing that God exists. There could be multiple uncaused causes—multiple gods, say—or the uncaused cause could be an unintelligent, impersonal force. Finally, the argument holds that God is required to explain the existence of the universe, but offers no explanation for why God exists. If you invoke God to answer the question "Why is there a universe rather than nothing?" you raise the further question "Why is there a God rather than nothing?" The fundamental question—"Why is there something rather than nothing?"—remains unanswered either way; so why invoke a potentially nonexistent God to explain a universe which we know exists?

Try again! And are your books for sale yet?

[Anonymousecoview]

24. The books are free and so is our will to choose the Creator or not

The books are all posted for free... foorrrr freeeeeee? Yes
Free will ultimately lead me to the Creator.
The Creator is not something human beings originally find. The Creator has been my Guardian in the migration of my life even when I have not chosen this Great Mystery.
An example of this what when in high school I tried to suppress my spirit's need for the Great Spirit by living it up, drinking, extreme sports and other good and not so good attempts. After making a particular fool of my self I asked myself the question lying in my bed at night, "What am I going to become?" Who am I? Who made who? Who made you?
The essence of these questions overwhelmed me and caused me to cry out to my Creator from the depths of my heart, "God if you exist, reveal yourself to me."
Something stirred in my soul. Questions would come about my destiny and purpose and they would be answered in a day or two. Then one night on a graduation party, my friends and I had the God argument while drinking around a campfire. I said, "If God exists, this Awesome Mystery is worth becoming our Friend." My friend said this God stuff is just for poor people, the rest of us are left to live the best we can.
That night the Creator had the last word. My friend and I almost drown. I saved his life, which in another story was the Creators way of redeeming me from past mistakes. As we sat on the shore, you could cut with a knife the feeling in the air, that we all are one breath away from our eternal destiny. Now is the time! The Hopi know this - I know this - now is the Crossroads of the human story. Which path are you going to take?

[trotsky]

25. Thank you for your answer.

The "creator" is something you've imagined in your head. Clearly that is the only evidence you are able to provide.

I'm going to take the path of evidence and reason and compassion, and not listen to someone who claims to know what a "creator" truly wants. No gods, no masters.

Good luck with your stories.

[Anonymousecoview]

26. Thanks for the conversations and agnostic prayer for my stories :)

The Creator knows your heart and will follow you like a humming bird, peaceful but ever humming in your heart to your full identity we are all forever discovering on creations red road.

[trotsky]

28. George W. Bush said the creator told him to invade Iraq.

I treat both of your claims with equal skepticism.

[Anonymousecoview]

29. What about when its a Crossroads...

My Judeo-Christian elders would advise me to choose the path of love. Bush chose police-state hate, which tends to have free reign in the 'free world'. When my path required a change, I asked "Eternal Love" for direction. Now we are all at a Crossroads, if we continue the path we are on we will destroy the planet. A Shift in our world-view is required. Indigenous peoples are stepping forward and saying we have advice for those who have a listening ear. I believe we need to listen to all world-views and bring the best we all have to offer for a restoration.

[trotsky]

30. Bush chose love for the Iraqi people.

He liberated them from a brutal dictator. The creator told Bush to free a noble people from a horrible overlord.

Prove him wrong. Then get back to me and I'll listen to your view of what the creator wants.

Good luck with your stories.

[Anonymousecoview]

31. In hind site that is a good way to resolve the issue

If it happens again, perhaps there is a better way...

[Anonymousecoview]

9. That is an interesting truth...

Indigenous Worldview may have roots in ancient wisdom, because of a constant appeal to the ancestors and the Creator who is eternal. However, your link does provide valuable rational behind the balance needed to keep ourselves true to what is going on today....
Perhaps the roots should run deep in our understanding of history, however, the tree from these roots much bear fruit for today and the next generations

[skepticscott]

11. And it may have its roots

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In modern day New Age woo-woo flummery. Do you have the deep, spiritual knowledge of the universe to say which? Is your mind open enough to acknowledge that this may all be groundless nonsense?

[Anonymousecoview]

12. Woo-flummery should be avoided

What if it was not either/or but both and that no one has a full understanding of it all, which makes it worth our curiosity. Much of what I have learned should be nonsense to you, because it belongs to me, not you. But what belongs to our personal selves in that sense is not worthless overall. Balance is essential here, because the point I am getting at is that the planet earth is now out of balance. This has been caused by human activity. Lets pool our resources and see what we can do to draw as many together as possible to make a Shift in our human experience today. Perhaps harmony will return. But my treasures are not worthless nonsense any more than yours are, even if I do not value all that you value. But I need your wisdom to help broaden the circle - the life of our children and grandchildren depend on it. And visa-versa...

[skepticscott]

13. When one tries to translate their personal woo

to universal principles, then it no longer belongs just to them, and can no longer be validated by feeling alone. Perhaps you'll understand that some day...though I doubt it...

[Anonymousecoview]

14. Perhaps there is more to what you are saying

Universal principles do exist then? This one at least, that we are all Indigenous to Mother Earth... (we all have a responsibility to the earth...)

[skepticscott]

16. When you claim that a principle

can or should apply to the whole world, and not just its context of origin, then you have answered your own question.

[G_j]

15. the Hopi traditional rites and beliefs

are certainly not new-age, though they are popularly referred to in the dominant culture. Their customs are deeply imbedded. I don't see how the term groundless can possibly apply. Somehow that seems to imply being rootless. Hopi roots run deep. Their elaborate ceremonies and marking of the seasons has continued for ages. It really doesn't matter if you think that tree is rooted in truth or fiction. The roots are there.

[Act_of_Reparation]

18. Did you read the article?

No one is disputing the history of Hopi tradition.

The article claims the Hopi were blessed with the answer to global climate change, centuries before the problem arose. You think this is a grounded assertion?

[G_j]

19. In some cultures prophecies are handed down

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along with the other traditions. Or better said, they are part of tradition. Years ago a Hopi elder approached the UN and sought audience over a prophecy. Perhaps your issue is with how modern day people interpret these things. But it would seem by your general approach here, that your
skeptical self might find an ancient Hopi snake dance "Wooo" also.

[Act_of_Reparation]

20. What, exactly, do you find confusing?

Perhaps your issue is with how modern day people interpret these things.

Perhaps???

This was explicitly stated.

[Warpy]

27. I know enough of the people to know

that they keep such things to themselves, away from missionaries, anthropologists and New Age woo woo flummery peddlers.

The quickest way to get them to shut down is to ask them about any of the sacred stuff.

I tend to take any of this stuff with a pound of salt.

[Anonymousecoview]

23. The Hopi Tablets - a gift to a world in need of a vision

Al Gore said, "We have the technology to restore the planet, what is needed now is the motivation."
If these Hopi Tablets and their fulfilled purpose according to Hopi tradition can unfold into today's global warming crisis to motivate just one person, they have fulfilled their purpose.
That one person can change the world, one person at a time.
It is difficult though. The Hippy movement went to the Hopi and sat with the First Nations people for a time. But they left after the poverty overwhelmed them. Hope will not give rise to a new springtime of human existence without the ability to face our own human poverty. Indigenous world-view calls for a cleansing of the human person through passage rite, relearning how to weave the human identity into the environment. The Ojibwa 7th Fire Prophecy calls Turtle Island a sign of the 'purification' of the earth. Modern psychology and the police state do not accept such a word. We either water it down to everything is good the way it is, business as usual or if someone does something wrong we will 'justify' the situation by putting away this 'evil' from our midst. Indigenous worldview has a different plan, one that works... The current Pope seems to be aware of this view - by visiting prisoners and telling the rich to give away their excessive wealth to the poor....