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May 01 2013
by Maryam Namazie
The last email the Council of Ex-Muslims of Britain received from 22 year old Imad Iddine Habib, the founder of the Council of Ex-Muslims of Morocco (the first atheist organisation in a country with Islam as a state religion), spoke of more threats and a final warning from the Moroccan government.
In the email, he said:
Since then, he has gone into hiding after security officials raided a home to possibly arrest him.
His latest Facebook post says:
I would like to thank everyone who supported me, asked about me by any mean! Those whom I didnt reply didnt add me as a friend, as I am blocked, I couldnt reply at them! Thank you All, you made me so proud of being part of this big and united family of rational and free thinkers!
Whatever my fate will be in the next hours, the next days, the next weeks; killed, beaten, jailed, or anything else, I am not sorry for what I have done since I became an activist few years ago, I have shared with many people here thoughts and ideas, and so many awesome memories.
Both police and people are looking for me, I have nowhere to go, my life is at high risk However, I am Happy, because I am not the only one fighting for a better world, I hope I will be the last man persecuted because of Dogmatisms, Religions, or Myths.
Whatever Ill be, KEEP FIGHTING, I love you all.
PS: There is no god but Minnie Mouse.
- Imad Iddine Habib
http://freethoughtblogs.com/maryamnamazie/2013/05/01/you-better-not-touch-him/
Religion is a plague....
longship
(40,416 posts)Converting to another religion, or horrors, abandoning religion altogether, often provokes the most violent outrage. And people wonder why atheists often see so much evil in religion.
I have interacted with many DUer believers over the years I've posted here, hopefully with respect. But I often wonder what believers think about this. Is there any justification that this guy now fears for his life because of his beliefs, or lack there of?
What does a world do about this?
My answer is to help morph religion into something less toxic -- as Daniel Dennett says, a less virulent form. But how does one even begin to accomplish that end?
I fear that this isn't going to end well.
I will post a link to a very thoughtful and intelligent book on these very issues.
Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon by Daniel C. Dennett.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_the_Spell:_Religion_as_a_Natural_Phenomenon
It really lays down much of how I have long thought about religion in a cogent and expansive way.
Highly recommended.
R&K
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)Must be condemned loudly.
longship
(40,416 posts)I say this as a lifelong atheist, but with the understanding that atheists may not be the best people to be taking to the streets on this guy's behalf. I would, however, be proud to stand next to believers of all sorts to support him.
I have sometimes signed off my posts here with Hitchens' words, "Religion poisons everything." I use it as a polemic, but more to raise consciousness than anything else.
I feel strongly that atheists and believers need to stand together to lick these problems which narrow-minded people have inflicted upon our planet. I have not always thought so. But Dennett's book helped see that reality is much more complex and it may be far more important to unite against evil than to fight it on ones own.
As always.
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)I think our religions are in need of a modern day reformation.
rug
(82,333 posts)Governments will of course continue to kill people but at least it will be for secular reasons.
longship
(40,416 posts)Which gave rise to Jefferson coining the "wall of separation" in his response.
When I post the tagline here, "Religion poisons everything" I am addressing the issue that when religion crosses into domains which are not strictly personal beliefs, mayhem is the inevitable result. Many cultural human structures form those domains, including politics, government, education, science, etc.
When religion, or lack of religion, becomes a matter of personal choice with no power outside of that domain, humans may finally achieve wonderful things beyond anything imaginable.
That is my most fervent hope.
LostOne4Ever
(9,286 posts)It seems like not a day goes by that someone somewhere is not trying to undermine the separation of church and state right here in America. I can reach into my pocket on just about any given day and be given a reminder of what most of this country thought about people like me back in the 1950's.
Should we try and change that in any way and people take it like we just killed their first born child. Like its a personal assault on them. Further, the longer that motto is on the coin and in the pledge the more resistant people become to changing it back. Its history! Or worse yet, its an insult to our "founding" fathers.
If we can't even get our government to fully unyoke state power from religion here (where we revere the US Constitution), how are we going to get it in other countries where the people themselves don't want it?
LostOne4Ever
(9,286 posts)I haven't read that book, but I have thought that one thing that could help is if believers would actually edit their books.
Thomas Jefferson, for example, went through the new testament and removed all references to anything that Jesus did that was super-natural. I think that if liberal Christians were to do something similar (but lets say to the whole bible and also removing anything bigotted) that would greatly help end people trying to use their religion as a cover.
Same applies to all other religions. I used Christianity and the bible in my example because im the most familiar with that religion.
struggle4progress
(118,228 posts)issued the opinion that it should be punished by death