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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:15 PM May 2013

How does your faith shape your politics?

The main thing I get from the Gospels is that Jesus wants us to care for the least among us. That shapes my political beliefs. I believe God wants us to help people to the best of our ability. God us love and he wants us to share that IMO.

How does your faith shape your politics?
How does your lack of faith shape your politics?

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How does your faith shape your politics? (Original Post) hrmjustin May 2013 OP
No faith, and the lack of it doesn't make a difference PDJane May 2013 #1
I believe ZombieHorde May 2013 #2
My lack of faith causes me to seek fact-based solutions. Deep13 May 2013 #3
This is a great question. femmocrat May 2013 #4
Faith is a useful tool for supporting persecution and I have none. dimbear May 2013 #5
I will just quote Kurt Vonnegut Bluenorthwest May 2013 #6
Religion is for deluded saps. Spartacus Maximus XL May 2013 #7
Suppose religion is performative rather than theologically based. Deep13 May 2013 #10
I disagree but let me welcome you to the religion group. hrmjustin May 2013 #11
you don't need faith to care about people Skittles May 2013 #8
The food pantyrs run by our episcopal parishes here in NYC have loads of non-believers hrmjustin May 2013 #9
interesting Skittles May 2013 #12
And what would your politics be skepticscott May 2013 #13
It would be the same as it is now, I suspect. PDJane May 2013 #14
My politics would be the same I imagine. hrmjustin May 2013 #17
Perhaps not at all. LiberalAndProud May 2013 #15
While it is obvious that edhopper May 2013 #16

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
2. I believe
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:31 PM
May 2013

rights, value, law, organizations (governments, Boy Scouts, etc.), countries, etc. are nothing more than rhetorical constructs designed for persuasion and the promotion of relatively predictable behavior. In other words, they're strictly imaginary.

I often wonder if there is an objective difference between living and nonliving matter.

I don't believe in gods, alien contact with Earth, or anything like that. I think we're functionally alone at this point in time.

So, I think we should do our best to take care of each other and make this life as happy and fulfilling as we can.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
3. My lack of faith causes me to seek fact-based solutions.
Mon May 6, 2013, 09:36 PM
May 2013

For example, global warming is caused by greenhouse gases, not gay sex.

Also, deconstruction of racist assumptions made me realize that there really is only one humanity and, ultimately, one human community. It is irrational to suppose that a tiny minority deserves to be unimaginably rich or that some people are naturally evil.

I no longer seek to justify institutional cruelty. Our prison system, for example is an abomination and eventually should be abolished.

These realizations have freed my mind and my feelings from constraint allowing me to see the world as it is--both good and bad things.

I have also been able to reject the idea of vengeance as inherently destructive and damaging. After September 11, 2001, this nation should have forgiven the terrorists, taken some basic precautions, and declined to exact vengeance on the largely innocent people of Afghanistan.

BTW, I have a friend who is a very serious Evangelical Christian, who reaches most of the same exact conclusions I do.

femmocrat

(28,394 posts)
4. This is a great question.
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:06 PM
May 2013

I am a non-practicing Christian. I vote for the democrats because in my mind at least, they represent the poor and the working class. I know this is not always true, but they hold the best hope compared to the other party.

I believe in helping others, equality and fairness. I loathe everything the republicans stand for.

 

Bluenorthwest

(45,319 posts)
6. I will just quote Kurt Vonnegut
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:30 PM
May 2013

"I say of Jesus, as all humanists do, ‘If what he said is good, and so much of it is absolutely beautiful, what does it matter if he was God or not? But if Christ hadn’t delivered the Sermon on the Mount, with its message of mercy and pity, I wouldn’t want to be human. I’d just as soon be a rattlesnake."

7. Religion is for deluded saps.
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:47 PM
May 2013

All religions are complete bunk. Watch Hitchens and Dawkins videos on the net and the god case is closed. He's as real as the Easter bunny.

Deep13

(39,154 posts)
10. Suppose religion is performative rather than theologically based.
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:57 PM
May 2013

In the Middle Ages before, say, the 12th century, religion was something people did, not something they thought about. The did accept or believe that there was a spirit world inhabited by saints, demons, God and whatnot. Their practices were based on the use of ritual to entice the saints to intervene on their behalf for various needs. The specifics of their belief system did not exist in a detailed theology and would not until the consolidation of royal power at the end of the 12th c.

I should also mention that while Hitchens was a great writer and Dawkins a great scientist, neither of them are historians. Consequently, while their cases against the existence of gods or anything supernatural are pretty compelling, their indictments of religion as purely evil institutions is only partly convincing when one realizes how ecclesiastical and secular norms influenced each other. My point is, we do not have a case were merely not believing in god anymore by a large number of people will do much to cure the world's evil.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
9. The food pantyrs run by our episcopal parishes here in NYC have loads of non-believers
Mon May 6, 2013, 10:56 PM
May 2013

that volunteer. Many of our outreach programs in my parish have plenty of non-believers as volunteers. Your statement is very correct!

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
13. And what would your politics be
Tue May 7, 2013, 06:05 AM
May 2013

if you had no religion? The same or radically different? Do you help other people to the best of your ability only because you believe that the god you believe in wants you to, but is unwilling or unable to help them himself?

PDJane

(10,103 posts)
14. It would be the same as it is now, I suspect.
Tue May 7, 2013, 07:54 AM
May 2013

I don't believe that there is a deity; Gods are a man-made construct, and the more your religion agrees with your prejudices, the more man-made it appears to be. I grew up in a very insulated and rigid space until about 13, and it didn't agree with me.

I don't always respect religion; I do respect the people who use religion to do the good they can in the space they can. Whatever gets you through the night is fine with me. However, when you insist that every person on the earth believes as you do, regardless of the science on a specific subject, I find it appalling!

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
17. My politics would be the same I imagine.
Tue May 7, 2013, 10:25 AM
May 2013

I help others because Jesus mandated that we help one another.

LiberalAndProud

(12,799 posts)
15. Perhaps not at all.
Tue May 7, 2013, 08:56 AM
May 2013

We have a Smörgåsbord of denominations and belief systems to choose from while professing faith. It seems more likely that we will make our religious home where our worldview best fits, rather than changing our worldview to conform to religious dogma.

God is love, or God is a jealous and vengeful God. Take your pick or blend a cocktail.

edhopper

(33,543 posts)
16. While it is obvious that
Tue May 7, 2013, 08:58 AM
May 2013

faith shapes politics. It is also true that every political view has people who adhere to it due to faith. So faith just becomes another variable and the presence of faith gives no indication as to where the person's politics lie.
In other words, while faith might have great meaning in an individual's life, it has no objective significance in terms of what a person's political belief may be.

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