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hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
Wed May 29, 2013, 04:57 PM May 2013

Who influenced you the most when it comes to your views on religion?

I have to say when I was an altar boy at a RCC one of the four priests really had the spirit of Christ in him and he always showed it. I remembered how he kept me from giving up on the church when I told him I was gay. He just reminded me that God loves me no matter what. When I was a senior in HS he was made the pastor of another parish and I decided to move on from my parish and found my Episcopal parish that I have been at for over 17 years.

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Who influenced you the most when it comes to your views on religion? (Original Post) hrmjustin May 2013 OP
Myself. gcomeau May 2013 #1
Life in general. Nt newfie11 May 2013 #2
Allan Watts safeinOhio May 2013 #3
REASON and LOGIC aristocles May 2013 #4
Oddly enough... Wait Wut May 2013 #5
If you get a great priest it really makes the difference. hrmjustin May 2013 #8
She definitely likes okasha May 2013 #23
Dorothy Day. rug May 2013 #6
Myself, and various christians who kept pushing religion at me. Daemonaquila May 2013 #7
My family, who basically said that many people believed differently cbayer May 2013 #9
Who influenced you the most when it comes to your views on religion? Flashmann May 2013 #10
A priest and a lawyer. Graybeard May 2013 #11
Martin Buber Bad Thoughts May 2013 #12
Richard Dawkins, Paul Kurtz edhopper May 2013 #13
Carl Sagan, Isaac Asimov & Bertrand Russell pokerfan May 2013 #14
Mr. Rogers--retroactively Tien1985 May 2013 #15
Christians in general as the Southern Baptist Convention in particular. nt rrneck May 2013 #16
It would be difficult to choose one. Adsos Letter May 2013 #17
My History Teachers. Promethean May 2013 #18
I was born an atheist... MellowDem May 2013 #19
Bertrand Russell Goblinmonger May 2013 #20
Reading Watership Down. It shattered me (a GenXer). The bunnies, the bunnies! anneboleyn May 2013 #21
Mainly myself LostOne4Ever May 2013 #22
My lack of faith as a kid and Aleister Crowley. nt ZombieHorde May 2013 #24
 

gcomeau

(5,764 posts)
1. Myself.
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:08 PM
May 2013

Parents were religious at least in so far as they believed in God, but not all gung ho about it and never really went to church, basically just made up my own mind about it as I got exposed to it.

(Very very quick summary of that years long process... "What? People don't actually believe that do they? Seriously? WHY? So... no actual justification whatsoever then?" <head shake...>... repeat again and again and again... it was a little like growing up constantly waiting for someone to let you in on the joke and admit that no, everyone didn't really believe this crazy nonsense they kept pretending they believed in, only the punchline never actually arrives.)





Wait Wut

(8,492 posts)
5. Oddly enough...
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:23 PM
May 2013

...my priest. Father Paul was a great man. He knew I didn't fit in and told me that there was a great big world out there. I had been an acolyte for 2 years, but would always ask really tough questions about the Bible. After I left the (Episcopal) Church, I still stopped in to talk to him. He wasn't just influential in my religious views, he helped me get through some tough times.

He was a former life insurance salesman, chain smoker and drank like a fish. He had a thick souther drawl, but I don't recall where he came from originally. Drove a 67 black Impala with a bad muffler and a blue cloud of smoke that followed him everywhere.

He died of throat cancer when I was in high school. I cried for days.

One of my favorite memories: I asked him why God would punish someone that believed in 'another' God if they were still good people. He laughed and said, "Oh, they're still the same God. In fact, he enjoys all the different ways people worship. I think he likes the ones that sing and dance the most."

________________

There are still a lot of good priests out there of all stripes and sects.

 

Daemonaquila

(1,712 posts)
7. Myself, and various christians who kept pushing religion at me.
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:26 PM
May 2013

My father would read bits of the bible to me (genesis was a particular favorite) as bedtime stories. He didn't believe, but felt it was worthwhile literature in places and good for me to be familiar with it. I never once took it seriously - it was all just silly stories, and I felt awful for the poor snake, and Eve, who did such a favor to humanity. The idiotic injustice always bugged me. When I found out later that people actually took these stories seriously, as religion, I was dumbfounded. Sure, I went to church with my parents, but for me it was all about smelling nice incense and hearing the awesome choir. There wasn't a bit I could take seriously.

In junior high and high school I started running into seriously religious students, who wanted desperately for me to give a rip. That pretty much finished it off. Watching them make asses of themselves for their fantasy friend was both disgusting and disturbing.

I also came to realize that I had read more of the bible and more about christianity and other religions than a lot of my peers, and that also was a vaccine against ever believing. I decided in my early teens that even if god (as advertised) did exist, no self-respecting person, especially a woman, would ever give him the time of day. In fact, a thinking, self-respecting person was honor-bound to resist that insane bully.

I've known clergy who I've deeply respected, not for their faith but for the work their faith (so they say, but I'll call it their personal ethics) called them to do. One of those was a bishop who admitted, privately, that he has no idea whether or not god existed, but he certainly believed in doing the best for his fellow man and was going to spend the rest of his life doing so. That, I had no problem with at all.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
9. My family, who basically said that many people believed differently
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:50 PM
May 2013

and it was the way that they lived their lives that really mattered.

Flashmann

(2,140 posts)
10. Who influenced you the most when it comes to your views on religion?
Wed May 29, 2013, 05:57 PM
May 2013

I'd have to say it's split equally between the church itself,(Lutheran),and the Country Club we belonged to,whose membership included much of the churches congregation.By age 12 I was thoroughly convinced that raising moneys to be sent millions of miles away to vague,unnamed locales,to feed and clothe "savages",while letting people 4 blocks away live in un-addressed squalor,amounted to a prepaid ticket to Heaven.

Both institutions seemed to reinforce the notion that anyone who didn't look and dress like us,weren't worthy of being in our holy presence,evidenced mainly by the fact that "those people" weren't allowed memberships in either place.Except to care for the lawns,work in the kitchen,bus the tables or clean the pool... again.

For an hour a week,2 hours if we went to Sunday school,everyone was equally deserving of Divine intervention and spiritual wellbeing,though apparently only if they were in attendance in the same building we were in.After services,all bets were off. Catholics were evil,Jewish people were spoken of in whispers that we were too young to hear,or understand. "Colored people" Mexicans,pretty much anybody not lily-white,were all somehow contemptible.Everyone,without fail and unquestioningly,deserved forgiveness,redemption and a second chance...Except those who'd committed ANY crime or were one of those "others".Those people were all going straight to Hell.

My parents,I have to say,never once said or did the things I noticed others doing.Being that my Mom was half Shawnee probably had much to do with that.(I was told in later years that we belonged to the CC and that church for the connections it would give us kids later.Connections I ran from as far and fast as I could.) The others though,after their weekly hour of righteous piety,were on the golf course swearing,blaspheming,condemning those less fortunate,swilling booze and eye fucking each others wives,with me watching all this while caddying for my Dad after church.

After it all,I'm comfortable with the overall message religion offers.The love thy neighbor,don't kill,don't steal,don't lie,don't covet stuff,but the organized religion aspect is a sham...For suckers and the slow witted.It's just another dirty business looking to horde wealth,discriminate and oppress.

Graybeard

(6,996 posts)
11. A priest and a lawyer.
Wed May 29, 2013, 06:09 PM
May 2013

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The young deacon started at our NYC Episcopal Church even before he was ordained into the priesthood. He immediately became involved in the Young Peoples Fellowship and various projects like the Drama Club at the parish. Trips to the beach in summertime and roller skating with us at the rink he became a wonderful friend and mentor. Introduced me to Jazz music and Maria Callas, West Side Story on Broadway and the writings of Cardinal Newman.

The lawyer showed up at worship one Sunday and we met him afterwards at the Coffee that the young priest held at his apartment every Sunday morning. He was a very scholarly, devout Christian who we later learned was somewhat famous in theological circles. He was a graduate of Harvard Law but rather than establish a career at a prestigious NY law firm he became a lawyer for East Harlem residents, living there which was walking distance from our church.

I learned from the example of these two who lived their lives in Christ and shared their faith and the knowledge of the Grace of God more than any others in my lifetime.

Tien1985

(920 posts)
15. Mr. Rogers--retroactively
Wed May 29, 2013, 07:01 PM
May 2013

When I was young, I loved the Mr. Rogers show. As an adult, I learned he was a minister.

Made me consider that being religious need not get in the way of loving people just the way they are. Even though I'm not religious, I think it changed the way I think of religious people.

Adsos Letter

(19,459 posts)
17. It would be difficult to choose one.
Wed May 29, 2013, 09:09 PM
May 2013

Different people have influenced me at different times in my life. I've tried to listen to many perspectives.

I've been very blessed to have people in my life who could accept questioning without condemnation, and who modeled Jesus in their lives.

My wife is very high on the list; so is a doctor friend of mine, and a counselor I went to for several years when I was struggling with very deep depression.

A couple of pastors shared needed insights, at times. Not all of the pastors I've known, but a couple of them were influential in my life at various times.

Promethean

(468 posts)
18. My History Teachers.
Wed May 29, 2013, 10:41 PM
May 2013

They never preached. They never expressed an opinion on religion. They simply laid out the facts of who did what and when in the past. The Inquisition left me with little doubt of my negative opinion of religion and the actions of modern believers removed that little bit quite easily.

MellowDem

(5,018 posts)
19. I was born an atheist...
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:34 PM
May 2013

I was indoctrinated into religion by my parents and the various adults at the different churches we attended. For years, they were the biggest influence on me and my views of religion, when I didn't even have the critical faculties to understand what it was I was "believing". I was told God existed as a fact, and that not believing could lead to burning in hell for eternity, and that the Devil was real, etc. etc. Pretty scary stuff to a kid.

Then, the next biggest influence wasn't a "who" so much as a "what". I began noticing that my belief system made no sense on many different levels, but I didn't want to delve or think any further, mainly out of fear of hell and burning for eternity, but also out of fear of what it would mean socially if I were to reject a belief. So, for many years while I was a teenager and even in the beginning of college, my views of religion were based on fear.

Over time, especially once I was out of the house and on my own, the fear of social ostracization faded, and the fear of hell slowly faded, I began to explore the parts of my belief that had never made much sense. There was no one person that influenced me at this time, there were multitudes. Various books I read, various atheist friends (who I had never known of before) I had, various articles, even some discussion from here on DU, and lots of other internet sources, slowly, very slowly chipped away at what had been a lifelong comfort and also source of fear for me.

Now, what influences me the most when it comes to my views of religion, or many other topics, is skepticism. I try to apply it in all areas of my life.

 

Goblinmonger

(22,340 posts)
20. Bertrand Russell
Wed May 29, 2013, 11:47 PM
May 2013

"Why I am Not a Christian" gave voice to things that were in my head and somehow gave me the permission to explore those thoughts.

anneboleyn

(5,611 posts)
21. Reading Watership Down. It shattered me (a GenXer). The bunnies, the bunnies!
Thu May 30, 2013, 01:08 AM
May 2013

My family was in practice sort of a-religious -- we were baptized Episcopalian and my sibling and I attended Catholic school for a few years -- but at home we rarely, if ever, discussed religion or prayed. For a short period of time we attended mass, but that was only for approx. a year or two (again it was not something that translated into activities at home). My parents were liberal-minded about religion; I always thought that other forms of religion were absolutely fascinating (such as Hinduism and Buddhism). When I was young I read as many books I could find that discussed form of religion and ancient mythology -- it all fascinated me -- Egyptian, Greek, Celtic, Native American, Norse, etc.

The novel Watership Down, written by Richard Adams, which I read and reread when I was young, changed my ideas about faith, fate, God, etc. permanently. In the novel the world is a very hard place for the rabbits, and their God does not favor them or save them from suffering and brutality and the constant threat of predators. There was something about this that spoke to me very powerfully then and still does today.

The book features many stories within stories in which the rabbits detail aspects of their belief-system; many of the tales center on the "first" rabbit El-ahrairah, the rabbit hero, as well as Lord Frith (the sun, their God), and the Black Rabbit of Inle (death who comes calling for each rabbit, when his/her time has come). Apologies if anyone has read this and knows all of this -- just wanted to share given the topic of this thread.

LostOne4Ever

(9,288 posts)
22. Mainly myself
Thu May 30, 2013, 04:13 AM
May 2013

But I was aided by Thomas Paine, Lao Tzu, and Mark Twain to a large degree.

Yeah, Lao Tzu doesn't seem to make much sense as Taoism is a religion, but it presented to me a book that made more sense to me and provide more truth than the bible ever could.

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