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Related: About this forumCatholic Church Keeps a Secret 2nd Set of Records
http://www.newser.com/story/168592/catholic-church-keeps-a-secret-2nd-set-of-records.html?utm_source=syn&utm_medium=goognews&utm_campaign=chan3_feed
Xipe Totec
(44,001 posts)They should release some of the documents; at least those over a century old.
LuvNewcastle
(16,971 posts)I'm twice as shocked that they're allowing outsiders to read them. The article isn't clear about where the records are kept or if there are copies. Will investigators be allowed into the Vatican to peruse the records or does each diocese or archdiocese have a copy?
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)After the files became known to prosecutors and plaintiff's lawyers, the American justice system has pried open the doors to an archive long kept sealed. Thousands of additional pages are set to become public in coming months, as more than a dozen Catholic orders Salesians, Claretians, Vincentians and others prepare to bare their own secrets pursuant to agreements with victims. L.A. County Superior Court Judge Emilie Elias could set the date for their release at a hearing Tuesday.
The earliest mention of the secret archives in church history dates to the 1700s, in an edict on marriage issued by Pope Benedict XIV. The archives were to bear witness to "marriages of conscience" unions that may be banned under civil law or otherwise scandalous, but celebrated by a priest in secrecy.
In the 20th century, when church law regulating the archives were written, Canon 489 prescribed that there was to be "a safe or cabinet, completely closed and locked, which cannot be removed" to which only the bishop would hold the key.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/may/27/local/la-me-church-secret-files-20130528
rug
(82,333 posts)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_law_(Catholic_Church)
Seriously, where have you and Newser been on this for the last three decades?
rug
(82,333 posts)skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Bet that covered everything they've been hiding for centuries. We all know how open and forthcoming the RCC is about their sordid past.
rug
(82,333 posts)Clearly what is on display from you is the result of something.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)Trying to psychoanalyze me by long distance? Oh, yes...I confess!! It's all true!!
Not sure if you could be any more lame, pathetic or divorced from reality, but you never cease to amaze.
rug
(82,333 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)"Another personal attack from this long time troll"
Oh, the irony.
skepticscott
(13,029 posts)It wasn't my alert, ruggie...I'm just as happy to let your bilge stay out there in public so that everyone can see how you respond when you're exposed for what you are. Point the finger somewhere else if you need the comfort.
rug
(82,333 posts)Far be it from me to post that you're a liar.
Thank you for underscoring the irony of your, excuse me, someone else's alert.
Response to rug (Reply #12)
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rug
(82,333 posts)Hmmm, what is that called?
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)As a direct result of the release of the documents, and in a move unprecedented in the American Catholic Church, Los Angeles Archbishop Jose Gomez announced that he had relieved his predecessor, Cardinal Roger M. Mahony, of all public duties over his serious mishandling of clergy sex abuse of children over the previous decades. Archbishop Gomez also announced that Auxiliary Bishop Thomas J. Curry, who worked with Cardinal Mahony to conceal child sex abusers from police, had resigned his post as a regional bishop in Santa Barbara, California. In a letter addressed to My brothers and sisters in Christ, Archbishop Gomez wrote; I find these files to be brutal and painful reading. The behavior described in these files is terribly sad and evil. Such is the nature of the Catholic priesthood the world over.
http://www.vatileaks.com/_blog/Vati_Leaks/post/Vatican_loses_fight_to_keep_sex_files_secret/
rug
(82,333 posts)SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)You'll have to take that up with the author of the article, but I suspect the Vatican has full knowledge of the secret records kept by the Archdiocese of Los Angeles.
VATI LEAKS is a site dedicated to publishing unknown and suppressed information that has been hidden from the people by the Vatican hierarchs in an attempt to conceal the truth about its past.
Tony Bushby
After achieving the necessary academic qualifications, Tony Bushby became a self-employed architectural draftsman early in his life, and later established a magazine publishing business that involved 20 years of research, writing and the publishing of a series of colour magazines primarily for the Australian and New Zealand markets. Some of his titles were; Relieving Arthritis; The Renovators Guidebook; Glimpses of Life Beyond Death, some Collector Editions motoring magazines, an immigrants handbook, and other general topics. Tony has also had some of his controversial articles published in NEXUS, a renowned international magazine, some of them being, The Forged Origins of Christianity, Ancient Cities Under the Sands of Giza, The Criminal History of the Papacy, Celestial Prophecies and the Great Pyramid, and Shambhala, the Valley of the Immortals.
With strong spiritual beliefs and an interest in metaphysical subjects, Tony developed a long and on-going relationship with many associations and societies throughout the world. He has been given access to several private libraries and, in one instance he actually lived for some time in an archival library that housed a collection of monastic documents more than 1000 years old. An elderly lady in London kindly offered him access to her vast private collection of ancient Bibles (763 in total) and other rare religious texts, and Tony was then able to identify the differences in the wording between old Bibles and newer versions. The development of his series of published books involved him in 30 years of full-time research and a substantial personal investment. Being fiercely tenacious, he was able to peel back the layers of ignorance, deception, superstition, and fear that surrounded the creation of particularly the Christian Gospels and the Vaticans centuries of brutal enforcement of unsupported truths that emanate from them.
Tony travelled extensively through Egypt, the Middle East, England, Wales, Scotland, USA, France, Germany, Belgium, Italy, Australia and New Zealand, and synchronicities allowed opportunities to come to him during this period. For example, an official written Introduction signed by an Australian Prime Minister opened doors overseas for him with the trustees of a large European museum subsequently allowing him exclusive access to rare biblical manuscripts in their archival library. While living in Cairo, Tony spent time researching age-old papyri scrolls in the Rare Manuscripts Room in Egypts Alexandrian Library where he was provided with a translator to assist him in deciphering a rare collection of ancient sacred Temple texts at least 4000 years old. He was also privileged to explore subterranean chambers and sculptured temples under the sands of Giza that are denied to the general public and around that time, he was shown a series of top-secret photographs taken under the Giza Plateau in 1935 that would require a total re-assessment of world history if they were ever released to the public.
That site is as credible as the headline.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)Do you dispute any of the facts provided? Why are you attempting to smear the author and the site?
rug
(82,333 posts)That wouldn't even fly in Creative Speculation.
And I already disputed the facts in the article.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)it's a minor and irrelevant point. In reality, records of all Catholic churches are known of and owned by the Vatican.
rug
(82,333 posts)Would you like me to post something from World News Daily so we can discuss the facts of the article?
No Vested Interest
(5,186 posts)the commenter referred to the year of publication in the header.
This is old news, and therefore, a waste of time for many.
For those for whom the article's subject is new material, the date would also be useful.
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)The OP is dated May 2013 and speaks to the court setting a release date for the records and post #6, dated February 2013, speaks more specifically of the contents of the records and pending release.
Both dates are clearly marked at the linked articles, if you had bothered to read them.
No Vested Interest
(5,186 posts)that of which I'm already aware.
Have to move quickly through all DU presents, let alone the rest of the internet
SecularMotion
(7,981 posts)or you could stick to LBN where the news stories are more strictly regulated.
We have more leeway here in discussing religious matters. There are no restrictions on the age of material, in fact many posts here speak to stories that date back two thousand years, but I'm sure that's old news to you.
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)Dawson Leery
(19,358 posts)Remember that nonsense which Emperor Constantine made up at the Council of Nicea. He made himself an authoritarian cult of heretics intended to give all political power to Rome under the guise of Christianity.
Laochtine
(394 posts)Would any sane parent let their kids near this church? For the life of me
How can people keep feeding this monster.